WSEX......AND ALL OTHER SPORTSBOOKS ITS TIME TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL....

[dimeplayersonly]

i see its time for another refresher course for the offshore books......

1. MAKE ALL WAGERING RULES PLAIN AS DAY AND VERY SPECIFIC THIS INCLUDES BETTING LIMITS..

2. EXPECT PHUCKUPS WITH YOUR SOFTWARE.....BY HAVING PLAIN AND SPECIFIC WAGERING RULES THAT COVER SITUATIONS WHEN YOUR SOFTWARE HAS HOLES IN IT.....YOU CAN POINT OUT TO THE PLAYER THAT JUST BET A MILLION DOLLARS ON A CRICKET MATCH THAT HE HAS NO ACTION..BECAUSE OF RULE #

3. EXPECT TO HAVE SCAMMERS AND THIEVES LOOKING FOR WAYS TO SCREW YOU 24/7...BECAUSE THEY WILL

4. LOOK AT RULE #1 AGAIN....HAVE RULES IN PLACE SO THAT THE SCAMMERS AND THIEVES CANT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOU....AND IF IT DOES HAPPEN THE DAMAGE THEY DO SHOULD BE MINIMAL.....

5. AGAIN HAVE SPECIFIC RULES THAT LEAVE NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER ON WHO,WHAT,HOW,WHEN,WHY,WHERE,HOW MUCH,HOW LITTLE,WHATEVER......ON EVERY WAGER MADE

now lets look at Wsex,

the person who made 80 some odd wagers did they following..

1. found loop-holes in the software..
2. gave bogus contact info
3. took advantage of a lack of specific rules concerning wagering.

this allowed him to make wagers that put Wsex between a rock and a hardplace...by giving bogus contact info. he knows that Wsex cant tell him the wager is no-action..so he waits for the outcome of the game...already knowing where he stands

if he wins the bet (knowing full well Wsex would claim foul) he plays innocent, and posts the thread, hoping there will be enough backlash to force Wsex into paying the bet..

if he loses the bet.....he flips the script so to speak.....he knows one of two things will happen...either Wsex will grade it no-action and a post isnt neccessary or a loss...if its graded a loss, he cries to the world that if the bet would of won, Wsex wouldnt of paid, so why should they grade it a loss?? again hoping for enough backlash so Wsex will grade it no-action......

basically this man made a wager in a way that gave him a chance at a no-lose situation...

books should understand this.....if a player is able to make a bet (as in Wsex's case) that you as a sportsbook wouldnt normally take......your phuked......he has you by the nuts....

so if your software lets a player bet monday night football......on tuesday......you better have rules that leave no doubt that its a no-no

 

[Dante]

solid post Dimes....

 

[Jazz]

Second that, Dante.

 

[kerry]

Yep, solid post. Except you left out the part where the book waited until after the game to cry no play. Looks funny especially given they were ahead 1-0. Also, I do not see where the bogus contact info plays in. First, I am not sure anyone knows it is bogus. Second, I believe many players do not use correct info. Third, you have covered a lot of ground with this statement, "by giving bogus contact info. he knows that Wsex cant tell him the wager is no-action..so he waits for the outcome of the game...already knowing where he stands."

WSEX had many ways to document a cancelled wager prior to or doing the match (several hours) and chose not too. This tells me they did not want too.

 

[vinividivinci]

Dimes

I agree with you except for the part about the no-win position of WSEX.

If they cancel the bets after the result is in, they are in a NO-LOSE position. If they had won, then "a bet written is a bet, win or lose."

Now they have lost, apparently after the fact (although this is a secondary factor to me), and don't want to pay.

Let's just imagine, you or I had one or more of our employees write 40k on one outcome, in our cases probably on credit. So the guy wins, we really would rather not pay, so we tell him he is a scammer and therefore is not eligible to collect.

What we don't tell him, of course, is that the Mississippi River has some spots that are really deep that he may well have visited had his bet lost and he failed to settle.

Dimes, you know the drill. I know the drill. You hang a number, you book the bet, you are on the hook for the bet.

Add to this equation that your client has put his money up front, I know that I have somehow misunderstood your position.


VVV

 

[FatFrank]

>2. gave bogus contact info

Red Herring!

We aint talking about a credit shop or betting under different acct names.

This guy made all of his bets under one acct# and most importantly with POST UP MONEY. WSEX was holding 40K of this man's money.

 

[vinividivinci]

Good night, fellas. Hope everybody comes out of this where they deserve to be.


VVV

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FatFrank:
>2. gave bogus contact info

Red Herring!

We aint talking about a credit shop or betting under different acct names.

This guy made all of his bets under one acct# and most importantly with POST UP MONEY. WSEX was holding 40K of this man's money.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah the same man who in the past has made it known he wants to know which books take bets online over the limit.

The same man who had only bet soccer there twice before for a $1000 each time with a nickel both times on the original line & a nickel both times at the adjusted price.

The same man who put in over 100 BETS ON THE SAME THING. NO ONE DOES THIS!

WSEX I'm sure did not have the best price on this game as they are not known for having the best soccer odds. If the man liked it so much, why not bet at a book which would have a similiar line & would cater to big soccer wagers, like a european or asian book.

Steve said he in no way is not looking to pay the man, but pay a reasonable amount & I'm sorry none of you can say just about their double highest posted limit is a reasonable amount.

 

[FatFrank]

Speaking of post-up $$$

When I moved from my hometown to just outside of Tampa I went looking for a Local

Found a nice bar that ran a Football sq board. Got to know a few guys and they intro me to a Local. I was young and new... The 1st weekend I made 3 100.00 FB bets with him inside of the bar. He didnt have to ask - I gave him 330.00 'post up.'

He said thanks Frank... That is all he had to know!!! My 1st name.

I won 2 outta 3 and was on credit thereafter.

 

[dimeplayersonly]

Kerry........Wsex said they tried to contact the player 30minutes before gametime to tell him he has no-action...

the phone# and e-mail address were no good...

Wsex states the "computer system" didnt officially grade it no action until after the game was final...

you guys say that if the game would of lost.....Wsex grades it a loser and says phuk you.......i say no way, it would have been graded no-action win or lose......and you better hope im right because if im wrong then every person who gambles offshore is phuked......because your saying Wsex (and any sportsbook) are nothing more than thieves that would turn a situation around to benifit them...regardless of "doing the right thing"

VINNY.........Wsex got caught asleep no doubt

but this guy knew what he had.......every repsonse made has been so predictable....

Wsex...detractors say if the bet would of lost... it would of been graded like that..and because it won it should be paid..
overlooking the fact that Wsex tried to contact him to cancel the bet before the game....

im telling you this guy knew exactly how this situation would be played out......all in his favor...

the guy has pulled a sweet job if you ask me

 

[outandup]

Should have went into the account and cancelled and put NO ACTION. Does the software allow it?

WSEX took a shot since they didn't just cancel the action. WTF wait till after the match is over and then cancel a 2-1 match, that's BULLSHIT.

If it loses WSEX keeps every penny, NO DOUBT.

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by outandup:
Should have went into the account and cancelled and put NO ACTION. Does the software allow it?

WSEX took a shot since they didn't just cancel the action. WTF wait till after the match is over and then cancel a 2-1 match, that's BULLSHIT.

If it loses WSEX keeps every penny, NO DOUBT.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess you don't know what the word integrity is do you. This is the same book that refunded wagers to players not long ago eventhough WSEX won.

 

[dimeplayersonly]

egd......im covering integrity in another thread......Outandup be sure to read..ok

 

[Java]

Dimes-

Solid post, but one big hole:

Who is going to risk $40K of post-up money, thinking that if he loses, the forums will back him getting the bet cancelled? Since Revere made dozens of bets over a 2 hour period, in a deliberate manner confirming every one, there is NO WAY he could argue that the bets should be cancelled. I can't even imagine any player making such a claim.

The idea that it is no-lose situation for player is ridiculous part of an otherwise good post.

Don't forget: the player made the bet BEFORE he knew the result of the game. WSEX cancelled the bet AFTER it knew the outcome.

 

[dimeplayersonly]

Java........Wsex tried to contact him before the game.....to inform him he had no action on his wagers...

Wsex made the decision that he would have no action on that game...

i think he was prepared to make an argument if the game was lost.....but he would only have to do this if Wsex did what alot of people said they would do...grade the ticket a loser....but legit books dont do that, and he knew this

he knew by making the wagers the way he did......Wsex would take the stand of no-action....

the team he bets wins.....now comes the sincere almost apologetic thread.......yeah right

anyway...if i were Wsex id do a little bit more background checking......calculated risk was what this was

 

[FatFrank]

Java... Blows the clarion horn!

"Don't forget: the player made the bet BEFORE he knew the result of the game. WSEX cancelled the bet AFTER it knew the outcome."- Java

 

[FatFrank]

http://therxforum.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=100090022&f=988094022&m=60010693

 

[dimeplayersonly]

add another one to the list

6. if you are sleeping at the wheel you will get caught
eventually. and you will find that wake-up calls arent
cheap...

 

[PatrickMcIrish]

Dimes - I have enjoyed your posts on all this. You have kept a nice balance to it all.

 

[jjgold]

Revere had a free shot. He knew WSEX would of graded game only as a $500 loss if game went down. He had this all planned and then had a plan if he won (go to the boards and cry)!!!! It was a win win for the player!!! He pulled it off on WSEX and you dumb posters!!!!! He was risking $500 for 40 Dimes!!!!!!! That was the real story