WORST COACH: Josh McDaniels or Todd Haley?

[EVincent]

I know its early, but both guys have appeared totally clueless to me in how to handle their new jobs.

Neither one seems to understand how to handle these professional (albeit some prima donnas) athletes. Talking trash on them in the media, and dropping them to 3rd or 5th string, or practice squad is totally ridiculous. This is not high school football.

So who do you think will lose their team first (If they havent already)?

 

[NickPappagiorgio]

Why are they bad coaches because you said so? Youre kidding right. Josh McDaniels got rid of a prima donna QB that has proven nothing in this league. The same QB that called out his WR/DB/KR after last weeks game. McDaniel has played it tough with a WR who gets just as much ink for what he does off the field as on. One thing he has learned at NE is that character is essential in building a good football team. How many Patriots (and I hate those MFers) have you read about getting arrested, etc? McDaniels will be just fine as will Denver.

Todd Haley has to start over, it takes time. Dont listen to the media, they know less about football than most.

 

[HAT]

Given that neither one has coached a meaningful game yet....Lame thread.

That being said....don't be surprised if Denver wins the AFCW.

 

[billhill999]

Josh McDaniels is an idiot.

 

[JakeT.]

McDaniels by far. He's completely killed a franchise in a matter of months.

 

[HAT]

McDaniels by far. He's completely killed a franchise in a matter of months.

He hasn't killed a thing...They were already dead at Shanahan's insistence of keeping Slowik around as DC.

To begin with, Bowlen is the one who made the decision to trade Cutler. But Josh probably could've handled the situation better leading up to that point.

That being said, The Broncos:

Went from about the 10-12th best QB to the 18-20th but got two firsts and a third in return.

Kept their top 3 O-line in tact by re-signing Wiegman. (And he kepth O-line coach Dennison)

Have a good trio in the backfield with Moreno, Buckhalter & Hillis. (And he kept RB coach Turner)

Are deeper than last year at WR...Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney.

Have a good mix of catching/blocking TE's in Scheffler, Graham and Quinn.

Nolan is a HUGE upgrade over Slowik at DC.

D-line is still patchwork and suspect but no worse than LY.

Upgraded at LB with Andra Davis and switching to the 3-4 will get Dumervill back to his 2007 numbers.

Significantly upgraded the DB's with the signings of Goodman, Hill & B-Dawk. (and drafting Smith, even though they overpaid to trade up)
Denver's safety play was HORRIBLE last year.

Denver will be no worse for the wear b/c of McDaniels. Don't buy into what ESPN is telling you.

 

[JakeT.]

He hasn't killed a thing...They were already dead at Shanahan's insistence of keeping Slowik around as DC.

To begin with, Bowlen is the one who made the decision to trade Cutler. But Josh probably could've handled the situation better leading up to that point.

That being said, The Broncos:

Went from about the 10-12th best QB to the 18-20th but got two firsts and a third in return.

Kept their top 3 O-line in tact by re-signing Wiegman. (And he kepth O-line coach Dennison)

Have a good trio in the backfield with Moreno, Buckhalter & Hillis. (And he kept RB coach Turner)

Are deeper than last year at WR...Marshall, Royal, Stokely, Gaffney.

Have a good mix of catching/blocking TE's in Scheffler, Graham and Quinn.

Nolan is a HUGE upgrade over Slowik at DC.

D-line is still patchwork and suspect but no worse than LY.

Upgraded at LB with Andra Davis and switching to the 3-4 will get Dumervill back to his 2007 numbers.

Significantly upgraded the DB's with the signings of Goodman, Hill & B-Dawk. (and drafting Smith, even though they overpaid to trade up)
Denver's safety play was HORRIBLE last year.

Denver will be no worse for the wear b/c of McDaniels. Don't buy into what ESPN is telling you.

Orton has 30 career TDs and 27 interceptions. Cutler has one of the best young arms in the league. That's a huge downgrade that McDaniels brought upon himself by not handling the situation well.

 

[NowshesmyRuca]

McDaniels by far. He's completely killed a franchise in a matter of months.

He gets rid of the most over rated QB in the league and somehow that completely kills the franchise.

Secondly you might want to read up on the definition of "coaching".

 

[JakeT.]

He gets rid of the most over rated QB in the league and somehow that completely kills the franchise.

Secondly you might want to read up on the definition of "coaching".

The question wasn't who is worst at coaching. The question is who is the worst coach. And the fact of the matter is that Josh McDaniels is a coach who messed up front office shit.

 

[HAT]

Orton has 30 career TDs and 27 interceptions.

With a crap O-line, crap WR's & two former DC's as head coaches. He will have substantially more time to throw, more talented targets downfield, a better offensive system and all of his backs have good hands as outlets.

He started his senior year at Purdue with 18 TD's and zero INT's and was an early Heisman candidate. He's got talent and McDaniel's will up coach it out of him.

Have you heard the early reports out of Chiefs camp? Cassell has looked like crap without McD and the Patriots style of offense. Josh McDaniels was the best thing that could've happened to Kyle Orton.

The Broncos were 16th in the league LY in scoring with 23.1 PPG....They will surpass that this year.

A patchwork D-line and a tough schedule are their main problem.

 

[FairWarning]

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Marvin Lewis

 

[DocJS]

Given that neither one has coached a meaningful game yet....Lame thread.

That being said....don't be surprised if Denver wins the AFCW.

Please tell me you are kidding, right???


Denver will struggle to reach .500.

San Diego wins the AFCW.

 

[HAT]

McDaniels by far. He's completely killed a franchise in a matter of months.

hno:

 

[HAT]

denver will be no worse for the wear b/c of mcdaniels. don't buy into what espn is telling you.

 

[JakeT.]

They got gifted the game against the Bengals, beat Cleveland who might be the worst team in the league, and beat Oakland who is amongst the worse.

They might be 3-0 but are still a horrible team who is getting by on luck and the league's easiest schedule.

Watch and see.

 

[HAT]

Just giving you a little sh!t, Jake. Probably should have thrown it at the OP though because the premise of this thread was ridiculous before 9/13.

The point is 99% of the talking heads on TV piled on Josh McD & predicted doom & gloom for Denver because it was the trendy thing to do. When in reality all that happened was they downgraded at QB from a 'talent' perspective and upgraded at QB from a decision making POV.

I saw many, many power rankings that had Denver at 30 or below (Yes, even one at #32 below the Lions) and that was just plain ridiculous. As was "Killed the franchise"...At least admit that!

Also, it's pretty funny how everyone says they "lucked out" in Cincy when in truth they shut out Palmer & Co. for 59+ minutes in their own building. In case you haven't noticed, Cincy went on to score 54 points in their next two winning efforts against GB & Pitt.

Obviously the 5.3 PPG against is skewed by crap-ass Cle & Oak....But this is exactly WHY Bowlen kicked Shanny to the curb. He ignored the defense for far too long and was dead set on bringing Slowik back at DC.

It's also worth noting that Denver was 3-0 LY before another Shanahan trademark kicked in....getting worse as the weather grows colder.

It may be smoke and mirrors and it may not be. Only time will tell. Dallas and NE up next at home followed by SD in SD. Let's see where they stand at the BYE.

 

[Syklone]

Mangini?

 

[Redagger029]

Mangini?

I was thinking of Mangini to. But in all fairness, a lot of those players have no business playing in the NFL.

 

[HAT]

They might be 3-0 but are still a horrible team who is getting by on luck and the league's easiest schedule.

I missed this part on the first read......

My answer is that bad or mediocre teams usually do not blow other bad or mediocre teams out.

For example....

Wash 9
STL 7
(Week 2)

Det 19
Wash 14
(Week 3)

Denver's MOV Avg. is 15+ thus far.

As it pertains to this here site....3-0 ATS and none were ever in doubt.
Should the Cowboys hold on here, I'm sure that it will be 4-0 ATS b/c dem 'Boys will assuredly be inflated due to the exact kind of thinking that led to this thread.

:toast:

 

[GilRenard]

After ripping hm for a few months, I've got to give McDaniels some props. I honestly thought that Denver would be in complete disarray by now. Though the schedule has helped them, they've won two road games and are 3-0. It's tough to argue with that.

Props as well to Kyle Orton. Not flashy, but for whatever reason the kid is a winner. This team is doing this with Marshall, Royal and Moreno not really doing much to this point. Nolan has the defense playing great as well.