Without a Dick...

[WildBill]

What would you Bush fans think if GW ran without Cheney as VP candidate and a clear sign that the neocons were not going to be a big factor in the 2nd term? I am hearing that Rummy might not be back for round 2 and that ASS-croft might be sacrificed as well and replaced with a more moderate guy like Tom Ridge. What about Rudy as the VP with his liberal views on abortion and gay issues? I also wonder what the liberals think, would your criticism of GW going forward be muted a bit more?

I think if GW really wanted to lock things up, this is all he would have to do. Karl Rove could get his head out of opinion polls since there wouldn't be another election and maybe GW really could come back to the middle and live up to his past promises of governing from there instead of making it sound like before he got to office he stopped off at the church for breakfast and the Arthur Laffer institute of taxation. Instead of going further to the right, couldn't he make gains coming closer to the middle?

 

[lander]

Bill,
I don't care if the Pope runs on GWB's ticket ...

I would gouge my eyeballs out before I voted for a genocidal lunatic, alcoholic, election-fixing, ecomony destroying embarrasment of an appointed president like Bush II.

 

[wilheim]

AL FRANKEN KNOCKS DOWN DEAN HECKLER

By VINCENT MORRIS


January 27, 2004 -- EXETER, N.H. - Wise-cracking funnyman Al Franken yesterday body-slammed a demonstrator to the ground after the man tried to shout down Gov. Howard Dean.
The tussle left Franken's trademark thick-rim glasses broken, but he said he was not injured.

Franken - who seemed in a state of shock and out of breath after the incident - was helped back to his feet by several people who watched the tussle. Police arrived soon after.

"I got down low and took his legs out," said Franken afterwards.

Franken said he's not backing Dean but merely wanted to protect the right of people to speak freely. "I would have done it if he was a Dean supporter at a Kerry rally," he said.

"I'm neutral in this race but I'm for freedom of speech, which means people should be able to assemble and speak without being shouted down."

The trouble started when several supporters of fringe presidential candidate Lyndon Larouche began shouting accusations at Dean.



Franken emerged from the crowd and charged one male protester, grabbing him with a bear hug from behind and slamming him onto the floor.

"I was a wrestler so I used a wrestling move," Franken said.

wil.

 

[Shotgun]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WildBill:
What would you Bush fans think if GW ran without Cheney as VP candidate and a clear sign that the neocons were not going to be a big factor in the 2nd term? I am hearing that Rummy might not be back for round 2 and that ASS-croft might be sacrificed as well and replaced with a more moderate guy like Tom Ridge. What about Rudy as the VP with his liberal views on abortion and gay issues? I also wonder what the liberals think, would your criticism of GW going forward be muted a bit more?

I think if GW really wanted to lock things up, this is all he would have to do. Karl Rove could get his head out of opinion polls since there wouldn't be another election and maybe GW really could come back to the middle and live up to his past promises of governing from there instead of making it sound like before he got to office he stopped off at the church for breakfast and the Arthur Laffer institute of taxation. Instead of going further to the right, couldn't he make gains coming closer to the middle?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No way will Rudy be on the ticket...that would be a Kevorkian-like maneuver for Bush. I imagine a lot of changes will occur following the elections; typically that happens when someone is re-elected. But Cheney and Rummy likely will stay as long as they want the job; the neo-cons have power because Bush agrees with them. Ashcroft would be the first to go in my opinion; he was never Bush's first choice and the Patriot Act abuses certainly aren't going to go away.

 

[Shotgun]

Wil, don't toss Laroache over to our side; he's all Democrat. I imagine the hecklers were pissed that Dean was going after the kook vote that typically votes for Laroache; I haven't checked tonight's election returns but likely many of his voters ended up going for Dean.

Here's his website...looks like Lander spends some spare time writing speeches for Lyndon.

http://larouchein2004.net/index.html

 

[jimbutorac]

Anyone see 60 Minutes and how Halliburton under Dick Cheney skirted laws to set up bogus offshore subsidiary in Cayman Islands so they could conduct business in Iran just like they did in Iraq? Not bad, doing business with 2 out of the 3 in the "Axis of Evil"

Does anyone doubt that Cheney would whore his sister and sell crack to your children if he could make money at it? Has there ever been a VP of more dubious principles? Agnew looks like Mother Theresa next to him.

 

[WildBill]

I read a couple of articles that said it is seriously being considered. Rudy obviously comes to mind because he is extremely popular and is one of the handful of big names not currently in office right now. Cheney has crap for approval ratings and I can't see how Bush would lose votes dumping him, he is a serious liability to the ticket. And word has it that Rummy really will leave, once the troop numbers are brought down in Iraq he will declare he did his job and move on. If he leaves then Wolfowitz is basically forced out too unless Rummy's replacement is a guy that wants him around.