Will MSM Report on 2008 Arctic Ice Increase?

[Mistermj]

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By P.J. Gladnick (Bio | Archive)
July 18, 2008 - 10:59 ET
NEWSBUSTERS

Good news! Despite the recent global warming alarmism in the media that Arctic ice might melt away completely from the North Pole this summer, the latest scientific observations show that Arctic ice has actually increased by nearly a half million square miles over this time last year. This is in stark contrast to the Chicken Little hysteria that was being promoted less than a month ago on the CBS Early Show as reported by Kyle Drennen on June 27 here in NewsBusters:

On Friday's CBS "Early Show," co-host Maggie Rodriguez teased an upcoming interview with former British Prime Minister Tony Blair about global warming: "Also ahead this morning, we'll talk about a disturbing new report from some scientists in Colorado who say that there is the very real possibility that for the first time we will see the ice in the North Pole melt away completely during the summer."

Well, the latest information on Arctic ice conditions is just in from the National Snow and Ice Data Center and Maggie Rodriguez can breath easy (emphasis mine):

Arctic sea ice extent on July 16 stood at 8.91 million square kilometers (3.44 square miles). While extent was below the 1979 to 2000 average of 9.91 square kilometers (3.83 million square miles), it was 1.05 million square kilometers (0.41 million square miles) above the value for July 16, 2007...

So why the increase in the ice shelf over last year despite the MSM hysteria on this topic? An explanation is given:

How is this different from what we saw in the record-breaking year 2007? In early July 2007, an atmospheric pattern developed that featured high pressure over the Beaufort Sea. This pattern promoted especially strong sea ice loss. The pattern that has dominated the summer of 2008, so far, seems less favorable for ice loss...

So won't Maggie Rodriquez and other global warming alarmists be excited over this news about increased ice in the Arctic this summer? Don't hold your breath. Rodriguez and others in the MSM will probably just let their original dire global warming predictions stand without any later corrections when the scientific facts prove them wrong. So let us sign off on this latest example of global warming alarmism predictions gone wrong with a June 27 quote on this topic from Steve Connor, "science editor" of the Independent (U.K.):

It seems unthinkable, but for the first time in human history, ice is on course to disappear entirely from the North Pole this year.

The disappearance of the Arctic sea ice, making it possible to reach the Pole sailing in a boat through open water, would be one of the most dramatic – and worrying – examples of the impact of global warming on the planet. Scientists say the ice at 90 degrees north may well have melted away by the summer.

Sorry, Steve, but just the opposite has happened. So can we also expect you to correct yourself with the latest data showing an increase in Arctic ice over last year? Your humble correspondent is not holding his breath waiting for such a correction from you, Maggie Rodriquez, nor any other member of the MSM that hyped an ice free North Pole for 2008.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/07/18/will-msm-report-2008-arctic-ice-increase</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

[Legend-I-Aint]

Global warming is big business. Of course these liberal ass clowns won't tell anyone about this information.

Thank god from time to time the ice melts and doesn't continue to build for a 100 years. If that were the case the whole fucking planet would be a giant snow cone.

 

[punter]

I would rank your source for this right up there with the Natl Observer.

 

[roadreeler57]

Mainstream media wants donations from Countries for global warming to fund a World government according to I think it was Alex Jones

 

[RobFunk]

I would rank your source for this right up there with the Natl Observer.

I advocate debating the material rather than the source, but that made me laugh.

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There will be another Ice Age at some point. It will seperate the continents more, and then melt away. It's been going on for billions of years.

 

[Mistermj]

I would rank your source for this right up there with the Natl Observer.

So you don't believe in science? Thats pretty much what I thought.

The "source" is simply reporting what scientists have measured.

Do you honestly think that scientists are not able to measure ice?

:nohead:

Libs kill me sometimes. :howdy:

 

[punter]

I prefer to get my geographic news by subscribing to National Geographic.

Not from a conservative slanted rag.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

I prefer to get my geographic news by subscribing to National Geographic.

Not from a conservative slanted rag.

Yea and I’ll bet there are no pictures of banana boobs in that conservative rag either. :Carcajada:

 

[Devilsadvocate+]

I prefer to get my geographic news by subscribing to National Geographic.

Not from a conservative slanted rag.

Plus Al Gore can tell you how to think. Their is no longer any debate because his agenda is right. Man I miss Russert on MTP as Brokaw is asking few tough questions of Gore and not following any of them up. He might as well be on his knees sucking his ****.uke1:

 

[punter]

You idiots can get your scientific news from Rush limbaugh and his like and you will remain just as big of fools when you die as you are now.

Yes the poles are getting thicker in the center but the area of both poles has shrunk considerably.

You can continue to blame this on Al Gore but he is only reporting what main stream science has known for sometime.

What it gains you to try your best to remain uneducated and make light of those who are is beyond me.

 

[Legend-I-Aint]

I prefer to get my geographic news by subscribing to National Geographic.

Not from a conservative slanted rag.

Shouldn't you really be saying you prefer to get your information from Al Gore, a world renound douche bag?

 

[Coldweather]

This be cause the global warming theory is getting rather cold. Albert Gore keeps trying to warm this here debate up with his hot air. This is my take on this here issue.

:toast:

 

[punter]

The ones who meet that description would be our current president, his father and the current GOP candidate.

Al Gore is a Nobel prize winning millionaire who has won an Oscar. And he has nothing to do with National Geographic or the fact that you guys are incredible idiots.

 

[Joe_Hallenbeck]

The ones who meet that description would be our current president, his father and the current GOP candidate.

Al Gore is a Nobel prize winning millionaire who has won an Oscar. And he has nothing to do with National Geographic or the fact that you guys are incredible idiots.

Oscar (LOL). Just because he won an Oscar doesn't mean he's not an a-hole with an agenda. Lots of them have won Oscars.

I could have made a documentary of myself taking a dump while simultaneously warning people of global warming using my turds as models for the polar icecaps. It would have gotten enough votes for an Oscar from the Hollywood environmental nutjobs.

And for the last time, Gore didn't win the Oscar. The director (David Guggenheim) did.

 

[punter]

I would feel pretty rotten myself had I backed a warmongering simpleton when he stole an election in Florida. Later it turns out that he has wrecked our country and the guy he stole it from looks pretty good. About all you can do is run the successful one down because that helps keep you from feeling like a total fuckup.

 

[Romanowski]

I would feel pretty rotten myself had I backed a warmongering simpleton when he stole an election in Florida. Later it turns out that he has wrecked our country and the guy he stole it from looks pretty good. About all you can do is run the successful one down because that helps keep you from feeling like a total fuckup.

and this has what to do with Gorebull warming?

try and focus in between the Sunday whiskey sours Punter..

if you are so dense and malignly sheeple that you decide your stance on man made global warming because of party lines and the war

then you are lost

Man Made global warming is a lie.

GL

 

[Mistermj]

The ones who meet that description would be our current president, his father and the current GOP candidate.

Al Gore is a Nobel prize winning millionaire who has won an Oscar. And he has nothing to do with National Geographic or the fact that you guys are incredible idiots.

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Al Gore is a Nobel prize winning millionaire who has won an Oscar

:missingteointer:

This is where you get your scientific information?

He couldn't even carry his own state...they KNOW he is nut.

This is religion for you Punter...its time to catch up to the science.

Global warming has been debunked. We haven't had any warming for 10 years now...the model has failed.

 

[punter]

Twas you guys who originally brought Gore into this and that is understandable conservatives have always hated what they fear.

My point from the start has been how incredibly stupid it is to ignore the fact that the poles are shrinking. Hell even Bush's boys have given up and agree.

What is causing it is more difficult to prove but I first heard the "greenhouse effect" theory in the late 60's. The book "Heat" came out in the early 70's. Now things are beginning to heat up so my inclination is to follow the people who saw it in advance. Not a bunch of politicaly motivated johnnie McLatelys

 

[quantumleap]

Twas you guys who originally brought Gore into this and that is understandable conservatives have always hated what they fear.

My point from the start has been how incredibly stupid it is to ignore the fact that the poles are shrinking. Hell even Bush's boys have given up and agree.

What is causing it is more difficult to prove but I first heard the "greenhouse effect" theory in the late 60's. The book "Heat" came out in the early 70's. Now things are beginning to heat up so my inclination is to follow the people who saw it in advance. Not a bunch of politicaly motivated johnnie McLatelys

But ice at the poles is NOT shrinking. The CBC reports that it's increasing at Arctic locations but that may be because of this winter's harsher than normal conditions, not a reversal of global warming.

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/02/15/arctic-ice.html

Recent cold snap helping Arctic sea ice, scientists find

Last Updated: Friday, February 15, 2008 | 10:17 AM ET

CBC News


There's an upside to the extreme cold temperatures northern Canadians have endured in the last few weeks: scientists say it's been helping winter sea ice grow across the Arctic, where the ice shrank to record-low levels last year.
Temperatures have stayed well in the -30s C and -40s C range since late January throughout the North, with the mercury dipping past -50 C in some areas.
Satellite images are showing that the cold spell is helping the sea ice expand in coverage by about 2 million square kilometres, compared to the average winter coverage in the previous three years.
"It's nice to know that the ice is recovering," Josefino Comiso, a senior research scientist with the Cryospheric Sciences Branch of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Centre in Maryland, told CBC News on Thursday.
"That means that maybe the perennial ice would not go down as low as last year."
Canadian scientists are also noticing growing ice coverage in most areas of the Arctic, including the southern Davis Strait and the Beaufort Sea.
"Clearly, we're seeing the ice coverage rebound back to more near normal coverage for this time of year," said Gilles Langis, a senior ice forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa.
Winter sea ice could keep expanding

The cold is also making the ice thicker in some areas, compared to recorded thicknesses last year, Lagnis added.
"The ice is about 10 to 20 centimetres thicker than last year, so that's a significant increase," he said.
If temperatures remain cold this winter, Langis said winter sea ice coverage will continue to expand.
But he added that it's too soon to say what impact this winter will have on the Arctic summer sea ice, which reached its lowest coverage ever recorded in the summer of 2007.
That was because the thick multi-year ice pack that survives a summer melt has been decreasing in recent years, as well as moving further south. Langis said the ice pack is currently located about 130 kilometres from the Mackenzie Delta, about half the distance from where it was last year.
The polar regions are a concern to climate specialists studying global warming, since those regions are expected to feel the impact of climate change sooner and to a greater extent than other areas.
Sea ice in the Arctic helps keep those regions cool by reflecting sunlight that might otherwise be absorbed by darker ocean or land surfaces.

 

[punter]

This is from Wikipedeia.

North Pole
See also: Arctic shrinkage
Earth's north pole is covered by floating pack ice (sea ice) over the Arctic Ocean, the Arctic ice pack. Portions of the ice that don't melt seasonally can get very thick, up to 3–4 meters thick over large areas, with ridges up to 20 meters thick. One-year ice is usually about a meter thick. The area covered by sea ice ranges between 9 and 12 million km². In addition, the Greenland ice sheet covers about 1.71 million km² and contains about 2.6 million km³ of ice. [1][neutrality disputed]

While the International Panel on Climate Change 2001 report predicted that the North polar ice cap would last to 2100 in spite of global warming caused by climate change, the dramatic reduction in the size of the ice cap during the northern summer of 2007 has led some scientists to estimate that there will be no ice at the North Pole by 2030 with devastating effects on the environment. [2][neutrality disputed]

Other scientists such as Wieslaw Maslowski, a professor at the Naval Postgraduate School, estimate that there will be no summer ice by as soon as 2013. He argues that this projection is already too conservative as his dataset did not include the minima of 2005 and 2007. [3][neutrality disputed]


[edit] South Pole

A satellite composite image of AntarcticaThe land mass of the Earth's south pole, in Antarctica, is covered by the Antarctic ice sheet. It covers an area of almost 14 million km² and contains 25-30 million km³ of ice. Around 70% of the fresh water on the Earth is held in this ice sheet. In addition, the West Antarctic Ice Sheet covers 3.2 million km² and the Ross Ice Shelf covers 0.5 million km². See Climate of Antarctica.

Global warming has increased the volume of summer meltwater on glaciers, which has weakened ice shelves. The dramatic collapses of The Prince Gustav Channel, Larsen Inlet, Larsen A, Wordie, Muller, and the Jones Ice Shelf show the impacts of climate change on the Antarctic ice cap. [4