ppeter said:
Yeah, Jabar Gaffney is the only semi-decent bunch in that group.
What I don't understand is why idiots keep drafting QB's out of the Pac-10 with first round draft picks. The NFL is replete with 1st round Pac-10 busts like Akili Smith, Cade McNown, Todd Marinovich, Ryan Leaf, Joey Harrington, Kelly Stoufer and Kyle Boller. Jury is still out on Aaron Rodgers but nobody should be holding their breath. Even Carson Palmer looked pretty iffy for a while.
Its obvious the Pac-10 qbs have splashy stats from all the pro-style offenses, but the systems are masking lots of mediocre talent.
QB's drafted in the First Round since 1990:
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>1990 1</TD><TD align=left>Indianapolis</TD><TD align=left>Jeff George</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Illinois</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 7 </TD><TD align=left>Detroit</TD><TD align=left> Andre Ware</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Houston</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>1991 16</TD><TD align=left> Seattle</TD><TD align=left> Dan McGwire</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>San Diego State</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 24</TD><TD align=left>L.A. Raiders</TD><TD align=left>Todd Marinovich</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Southern California</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>1992 6</TD><TD align=left>Cincinnati</TD><TD align=left>David Klingler</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Houston</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 25</TD><TD align=left>Denver</TD><TD align=left>Tommy Maddox</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>UCLA</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>1993 1</TD><TD align=left> New England</TD><TD align=left>Drew Bledsoe</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Washington State</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 2</TD><TD align=left> Seattle</TD><TD align=left>Rick Mirer</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Notre Dame
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>1994 3</TD><TD align=left>Washington</TD><TD align=left>Heath Shuler</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Tennessee</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 6</TD><TD align=left>Tampa Bay</TD><TD align=left>Trent Dilfer</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Fresno State</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>1995 3</TD><TD align=left>Houston</TD><TD align=left>Steve McNair</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Alcorn State</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 5</TD><TD align=left>Carolina</TD><TD align=left>Kerry Collins</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Penn State</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>1997 26</TD><TD align=left>San Francisco</TD><TD align=left>Jim Druckenmiller</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Virginia Tech</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>1998 1</TD><TD align=left> Indianapolis</TD><TD align=left>Peyton Manning</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Tennessee</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 2</TD><TD align=left> San Diego</TD><TD align=left>Ryan Leaf</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Washington State</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>1999 1</TD><TD align=left>Cleveland</TD><TD align=left>Tim Couch</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Kentucky</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 2</TD><TD align=left>Philadelphia</TD><TD align=left>Donovan McNabb</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Syracuse</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 3</TD><TD align=left>Cincinnati</TD><TD align=left>Akili Smith</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Oregon</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 11</TD><TD align=left>Minnesota</TD><TD align=left>Daunte Culpepper</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Central Florida</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 12</TD><TD align=left>Chicago</TD><TD align=left>Cade McNown</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>UCLA</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>2000 18</TD><TD align=left>N.Y. Jets</TD><TD align=left>Chad Pennington</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Marshall</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>2001 1</TD><TD align=left>Atlanta</TD><TD align=left>Michael Vick</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Virginia Tech</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>2002 1</TD><TD align=left>Houston</TD><TD align=left>David Carr</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Fresno State</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 3</TD><TD align=left>Detroit</TD><TD align=left>Joey Harrington</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Oregon</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 32</TD><TD align=left>Washington</TD><TD align=left>Patrick Ramsey</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Tulane</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>2003 1</TD><TD align=left> Cincinnati</TD><TD align=left>Carson Palmer</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Southern California</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 7</TD><TD align=left>Jacksonville</TD><TD align=left>Byron Leftwich</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Marshall</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 19</TD><TD align=left>Baltimore</TD><TD align=left>Kyle Boller</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>California</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 22</TD><TD align=left>Chicago</TD><TD align=left>Rex Grossman</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Florida</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>2004 1</TD><TD align=left>San Diego</TD><TD align=left>Eli Manning</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Mississippi</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 4</TD><TD align=left> N.Y. Giants</TD><TD align=left>Philip Rivers</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>North Carolina State</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 11</TD><TD align=left> Pittsburgh</TD><TD align=left>Ben Roethlisberger</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Miami, O.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 22</TD><TD align=left>Buffalo</TD><TD align=left>J.P. Losman</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Tulane</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>2005 1</TD><TD align=left>San Francisco</TD><TD align=left>Alex Smith</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Utah</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 24</TD><TD align=left>Green Bay</TD><TD align=left>Aaron Rodgers</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>California</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left> 25</TD><TD align=left>Washington</TD><TD align=left>Jason Campbell</TD><TD align=left>QB</TD><TD align=left>Auburn</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD align=left></TD><TD align=left></TD><TD align=left></TD><TD align=left></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Of these 36 Quarterbacks, 11 can be considered good draft picks, 18 can be considered busts, and 7 the jury is still out on (those taken in 04 and 05).
Of the 18 busts (George, Ware, McGwire, Marinovich, Klingler, Maddox, Mirer, Shuler, Druckenmiller, Leaf, Couch, Smith, McNown, Carr, Harrington, Ramsey, Boller, and Grossman) this is the conference breakdown:
Pac 10 - 7
C-USA - 3
SEC - 3
Big 10 - 1
ACC - 1
WAC - 1
MWC - 1
Notre Dame - 1
Of the 11 good picks (Bledsoe, Dilfer -only on the list because of the SB win, McNair, Collins - longevity is a factor, Manning, McNabb, Culpepper, Pennington, Vick, Palmer, Leftwich) this is the breakdown
MAC - 2 (Though Roethlisberger will soon be joining that list)
Pac 10 - 2
ACC - 1
SEC - 1
Big 10 - 1
C-USA - 1
WAC - 1
Big East - 1
I-AA - 1
Also, in my mind Rodgers will turn out to be a bust as well. Thus ppeter's assessment is spot on, do not draft a Pac-10 QB with a failure ratio of 77.7%.