why does everyone have to be a liberal or conservative?

[gtc08]

why can't i be both.

for example, there's stuff i'm very liberal towards. i believe health care should be in the constitution and a born right. I believe in democratic socialist economic policies. heavily taxing the top percent like obama is proposing.

but then there's stuff i'm way right on. like closing the borders, putting up a wall around the US and re-opening Ellis Island as the main entry point for immigrants and requiring new immigrants to be taught how to survive in america, instead of the more liberal let everyone in policy.

i agree with more of obama's policies then mccain's policies.

i don't think that necessarily means i'm a bleeding heart liberal.

you're either this or that. democrat or republican. wrong or right.

problem with you guys is there's no middle ground. you guys go on whining like the rest of the country, surround yourselves to one side, not acknowleding the opponent, and completely obstructing the possibility of a neutral or opponents way of thinking in regards to certain issues.


for example, I actually like McCain's proposal to buy up all the bad mortgages and resell them later on.

does that mean i'm a right winger now because I liked a policy of mccain's?

you guys have to open your minds more.

 

[asufan550]

why can't i be both.

for example, there's stuff i'm very liberal towards. i believe health care should be in the constitution and a born right. I believe in democratic socialist economic policies. heavily taxing the top percent like obama is proposing.

but then there's stuff i'm way right on. like closing the borders, putting up a wall around the US and re-opening Ellis Island as the main entry point for immigrants and requiring new immigrants to be taught how to survive in america, instead of the more liberal let everyone in policy.

i agree with more of obama's policies then mccain's policies.

i don't think that necessarily means i'm a bleeding heart liberal.

you're either this or that. democrat or republican. wrong or right.

problem with you guys is there's no middle ground. you guys go on whining like the rest of the country, surround yourselves to one side, not acknowleding the opponent, and completely obstructing the possibility of a neutral or opponents way of thinking in regards to certain issues.


for example, I actually like McCain's proposal to buy up all the bad mortgages and resell them later on.

does that mean i'm a right winger now because I liked a policy of mccain's?

you guys have to open your minds more.

I bolded the ones that make you a "bleeding heart" liberal. The rest is not near as important.
Listen, being one or the other doesn't mean you have to support all party policies (I certainly don't), etc, but the ones that you do support, and feel strongly about, make you far more liberal than otherwise. You're among the most flaming liberals I've ever heard, as well as among the dumbest "college students," if that's of any solace to you.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

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[gtc08]

yea i agree it's all primarily marketing and I think people like to group things together for easy identification.

i say i want health care in the constitution so they classify me as a liberal. so asufan, mj classify me as an instant enemy.

then i tell them what i think about immigration. i'm a neocon all of a sudden.

it's just stupid. i have liberal and conservative beliefs. i just have more of obama's beliefs which is why im voting for him. it's an election to election thing for me.

 

[gtc08]

I bolded the ones that make you a "bleeding heart" liberal. The rest is not near as important.
Listen, being one or the other doesn't mean you have to support all party policies (I certainly don't), etc, but the ones that you do support, and feel strongly about, make you far more liberal than otherwise. You're among the most flaming liberals I've ever heard, as well as among the dumbest "college students," if that's of any solace to you.

you got a hard on for me i'll give you that one.

you are becoming stalkerish. i see you showing up in all the threads i post in now.

gulp.

 

[laserhaas]

Inane people feel more comfortable when you are clearly something they understand or something they don't want to!

 

[gtc08]

yes. people can be dumb like that.

 

[kingbill]

I think the powers that be have a deep rooted need to make people dislike each other.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

I think the powers that be have a deep rooted need to make people dislike each other.

Divide et impera

And those powers that be are the multinational Banking interest

 

[roadreeler57]

Because Liberals are for Gays & Conservatives are for Heterosexuals & the traditional family I guess if you want to be a moderate you go both ways................

 

[kingbill]

Because Liberals are for Gays & Conservatives are for Heterosexuals & the traditional family I guess if you want to be a moderate you go both ways................

More need to separate and discriminate...thanks for proving a point.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

Because Liberals are for Gays & Conservatives are for Heterosexuals & the traditional family I guess if you want to be a moderate you go both ways................

I agree, that seems to be the extent of it really, but what does this really mean?


How many pregnancies do woman have each year in the US?
6-7 Million

How many abortions are preformed on pregnant woman each year?
1+ million

How large is the gay population?
I have seen numerous finding that 4 percent of adults are said to be in fact Gay while other extreme measures say there is 10%. Although that 10% figure by most as seen as "urban legend status"

So the difference that separates Liberals and Conservatives is in fact trival rather small factions of society that have basically no bearing on most of us. under 20% of pregnancies is a big minority. At the most 10% is even larger minority. Taking these into consideration, you start to see just how dumbed down we are as a country because any real large issue goes unnoticed and unchanged.

 

[levistep]

There are, at the very least, 4 completely distinct idealogies that are based on your opinion of necessary government involvement in social issues and economic issues.

Social issues; abortion, gun laws, marijuana laws.
Economic issues; welfare, tax rates, social security


Liberal:
Social: Government shouldn't be involved
Economic: Government should be involved

Conservative:
Social: Government should be involved
Economic: Government shouldn't be involved

Libertarian:
Social: Government shouldn't be involved
Economic: Government shouldn't be involved

Populist/Socialist/Fascist/Authoritarian:
Social: Government should be involved
Economic: Government shouldn't be involved

 

[fletchisrhsm]

There are, at the very least, 4 completely distinct idealogies that are based on your opinion of necessary government involvement in social issues and economic issues.

Social issues; abortion, gun laws, marijuana laws.
Economic issues; welfare, tax rates, social security


Liberal:
Social: Government shouldn't be involved
Economic: Government should be involved

Conservative:
Social: Government should be involved
Economic: Government shouldn't be involved

Libertarian:
Social: Government shouldn't be involved
Economic: Government shouldn't be involved

Populist/Socialist/Fascist/Authoritarian:
Social: Government should be involved
Economic: Government shouldn't be involved

Who is on the side of Marijuana legalization? I have heard these guys speak, and its funny i dont hear anything on the matter.

And as far as socialization not having government intervening, isn't that the exact definition of socialism? Being that the government not only is involved but actually takes ownership of markets or segments of markets? Kinda like the bailout bill that "had to be done" puppeted by almost every elected official on either side of the spectrum (that is of course for you know who)?

 

[levistep]

Who is on the side of Marijuana legalization? I have heard these guys speak, and its funny i dont hear anything on the matter.

Liberals are against government involvement in social sphere. Not a coincidence that most liberals are in favor of marijuana decriminalization and conservatives are against it.

And as far as socialization not having government intervening, isn't that the exact definition of socialism? Being that the government not only is involved but actually takes ownership of markets or segments of markets? Kinda like the bailout bill that "had to be done" puppeted by almost every elected official on either side of the spectrum (that is of course for you know who)?

My bad, I messed that up. The socialist/populist/authoritarian/fascist is in favor of government involvement in both sectors.

 

[Addict101]

I bolded the ones that make you a "bleeding heart" liberal. The rest is not near as important.
Listen, being one or the other doesn't mean you have to support all party policies (I certainly don't), etc, but the ones that you do support, and feel strongly about, make you far more liberal than otherwise. You're among the most flaming liberals I've ever heard, as well as among the dumbest "college students," if that's of any solace to you.

True story.

 

[steaktartar]

True story.

lol

 

[fletchisrhsm]

Liberals are against government involvement in social sphere. Not a coincidence that most liberals are in favor of marijuana decriminalization and conservatives are against it.

If that is the case and Obama is the most liberal of all the senate, how come he wont speak up on the issue? It has to be either, he isnt as liberal as the neocons like to pretend or that maybe the war on drugs is a great way of keeping people in work. Either way, Marijuana is no more "dangerous" then smoking 113 chemicals absorbed into some tobacco and not to mention pounding hard liquor and beer and wine, yet those are all legal. Making nature illegal, now there is a great topic.

 

[barman]

You're (GTC) among the most flaming liberals I've ever heard, as well as among the dumbest "college students," if that's of any solace to you.

ASUFAN, we often have differing perceptions, but on this one I think you and I join the bulk of our PoliticoPub fraternity in raising a glass of agreement here.

:toast:

 

[barman]

If that is the case and Obama is the most liberal of all the senate, how come he wont speak up on the issue? It has to be either, he isnt as liberal as the neocons like to pretend or that maybe the war on drugs is a great way of keeping people in work. Either way, Marijuana is no more "dangerous" then smoking 113 chemicals absorbed into some tobacco and not to mention pounding hard liquor and beer and wine, yet those are all legal. Making nature illegal, now there is a great topic.

Ending 21st century Prohibition is most certainly the biggest elephant in the room for most elected officials.

My colleagues who are lobbyists in Washington and at the state level tell me that for the past ten years the most consistent "off the record" response they get from elected officials and/or their key staff is that Prohibition is a counterproductive and destructive public policy to our communities.

But then they (the officials) caution that they don't dare speak it publicly or they will be lambasted by the small minority of staunch Prohibitionists.


Meanwhile, to his credit, Obama has publicly pledged that when elected President he will order the pigs at the DEA to cease and desist with their paramilitary raids on state-legal medical marijuana providers and patients.