I have been very critical of some of the mods but one thing I don't understand is why do people go to the forums first to air their grievances. To me, the forums should be a last resort, not the first resort. I am sick and tired of people who think they are important because they post on a message board and use the 2 "watchdog" forums to extort a book. Like the other day, my bet on a boxing match was graded erroneously. I think a lot of people would just run to the forums yelling so and so book is a stiff book and get your money out and yada, yada, yada. I emailed the book and talked to the book and the issue was resolved. Why don't you email the books to figure it out? Why don't you email the mods or Major or Shrink or McIrish first? Why do people come to the forums?Makes me think that if I had a legit beef with books that noone could remedy, I wouldn't have a chance in hell because if people continue to use forums to scare the books and the site will eventually lose credibility with the books. For me posting on a forum will always be the last resort.
I think the posters here are smart enough to know when a complaint is worth noting and when it should be ignored.
When I hear that "so and so book graded something wrong" or "so and so book is stiffing me because they want me to fax some ID to them" I blow it off. (as I am sure 99% of the posters do)
In the world of free speech you have to take the good with the bad.
If some poster wants to complain and whine about a book I say let them... If other people want to defend the book... well that is what this is all about.
I just can't see a book going under because of a post on this or any other forum.
When I hear that "so and so book graded something wrong" or "so and so book is stiffing me because they want me to fax some ID to them" I blow it off. (as I am sure 99% of the posters do)
In the world of free speech you have to take the good with the bad.
If some poster wants to complain and whine about a book I say let them... If other people want to defend the book... well that is what this is all about.
I just can't see a book going under because of a post on this or any other forum.
Since I've been on the board I've been delay paid a few times 9, 19 & 21 days and have not went to the boards. Some of these books can really piss you off with their excuses and deserve to be called out.
The last book took 9 days and had the nerve to be concerned about the amount of funds I sent in compared to what I beat them for. To top it off they shorted me on the payout. I called about 10 times to correct the payout and no one ever seems to be in, since it's a small amount I've blown it off. So I can see why others would get frustrated dealing with some of these books.
The last book took 9 days and had the nerve to be concerned about the amount of funds I sent in compared to what I beat them for. To top it off they shorted me on the payout. I called about 10 times to correct the payout and no one ever seems to be in, since it's a small amount I've blown it off. So I can see why others would get frustrated dealing with some of these books.
RAILBIRD WHAT DO YOU MEAN WITH THAT COMMENT ABOUT DAVE AND CASCADE. ARE YOU REFFERING TO HIM TRYING TO HAVE A POSTER BANNED ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE HE SPOKE OUT AGAINST CASCADE AND SAID THEY BORROWED MONEY TO PAY THERE DEBTS.IMAGINE A SPORTSBOOK MAKING A FOOL OUT OF THEMSELVES LIKE DAVE AND CASCADE DID ITS A JOKE YOU TALK ABOUT THE INMATES RUNNING RUNNING THE FORUMS.THE WAY DAVE ACTED AT MAJORS PLACE SHOWS ME HIS TRUE COLORS AND WHAT A SH-T OUTFIT THEY RUN.HE NEVER DID ANSWER THE QUESTION DID CASCADE BORROW MONEY TO STAY IN BUSINESS.(WHERES DAVE I LOVE WHEN THIS IDIOT PUTS HIS FOOT IN HIS MOUTH
CASCADE
I think buddyboy said it best so far. The whiny complaints are generally rebutted or ignored and by the time the thread peters out it's pretty easy to tell where the truth lies.
But for legitimate beefs like slow pays, the BS has to get exposed so the books learn once and for all that this kind of crap will have its consequences. This is one of the few weapons a player has, given the unregulated nature of the bookmaking environment.
In any other type of business, the guys making slow pays could never have gotten into business in the first place because their capitalization is too low. They should be thankful that they can be in business at all, leave alone expecting their BS to get hushed up.
I can see why a player would want others not to cry wolf, though. He may be concerned that the bad publicity for the book that he's stuck with will make it harder for him to withdraw his money. Well, he has a point, and it may be in his personal interest to keep things quiet. Still, it is in the players' interest at large to expose stuff at the moment it becomes clear that there is something legitimate to expose. Exposure of BS helps us all in the long run.
But for legitimate beefs like slow pays, the BS has to get exposed so the books learn once and for all that this kind of crap will have its consequences. This is one of the few weapons a player has, given the unregulated nature of the bookmaking environment.
In any other type of business, the guys making slow pays could never have gotten into business in the first place because their capitalization is too low. They should be thankful that they can be in business at all, leave alone expecting their BS to get hushed up.
I can see why a player would want others not to cry wolf, though. He may be concerned that the bad publicity for the book that he's stuck with will make it harder for him to withdraw his money. Well, he has a point, and it may be in his personal interest to keep things quiet. Still, it is in the players' interest at large to expose stuff at the moment it becomes clear that there is something legitimate to expose. Exposure of BS helps us all in the long run.
Buzz and outandup- Nice job to both of you. If the books just did their jobs, they wouldn't have to worry about being taken to task. I'm glad when people post their experiences dealing with a sports book. I don't care if it's to give them credit on something or rip them when they have it coming. I don't care if it's over $20 dollars or 20 dimes.
I know they have to deal with scammers, past posters, bonus whores, dual account holders and other hucksters but they need to just boot them. It bothers me when legitimate players get slow payed, bets adjusted or cancelled, rightful bonuses taken away or other things that seem to be happening with more regularity lately.
When that happens, I hope they bring it to light in this forum.
I know they have to deal with scammers, past posters, bonus whores, dual account holders and other hucksters but they need to just boot them. It bothers me when legitimate players get slow payed, bets adjusted or cancelled, rightful bonuses taken away or other things that seem to be happening with more regularity lately.
When that happens, I hope they bring it to light in this forum.
The forum is here to assist players. If the complaint is legit, it should not matter whether brought public 1st or private 1st.
To each their own.
I think that problems with books should be known as often as possible to as many as possible. Not to belittle or harm the book as much as to let them know they have a problem and they are more apt to correct the situation if the forums are aware.
If I owned a book, I could not hold it against a player for complaining here if I made a mistake. My goal would be to not let the same mistakes happen over & over.
We are here to share sportbook info, good & bad.
To each their own.
I think that problems with books should be known as often as possible to as many as possible. Not to belittle or harm the book as much as to let them know they have a problem and they are more apt to correct the situation if the forums are aware.
If I owned a book, I could not hold it against a player for complaining here if I made a mistake. My goal would be to not let the same mistakes happen over & over.
We are here to share sportbook info, good & bad.
