Why do people think big businesses are evil

[TheRightSide]

Don't they understand that people need to be employed. Big oil....what does that mean and why is it all the sudden so bad. These companies are so huge and everyone gets upset when they turn a profit. Why would a company not want to make money. They put up all the risk why shouldn't they make money.

Thinksabout how much money they generate for other businesses. The local eateries all around these giant complexes. What about all the benefits it does for the towns.

Big Autos. Being in Michigan I have seen what happens when there is a downturn to this business. With that being said there is still many many people employed here. The union is getting out of hand up here and it cost us another 3000 jobs when VW decided not to build here.


Big business is good for the working folk. Where else could a school dropout make 30 and hour. How much tax revenue do they contribute. Yet you hear people despising these compnies. Just foolish on thier part.

This is America We are aloowed to make money in this country. Atleast for a few more months.

 

[tiznow]

always gotta give the sheep something to bitch about so they can make excuses for their current situation....and to deflect from the true problem......

high oil prices is why our economy is shit....instead of the federal reserve system that allowed to boom to get outta hand

nobody ever complains about prices of other goods being to high

oil and gas prices just very engrained in the american psyche and its fluctuations used to place blame that should be in one direction go in many different wrong directions

 

[D2bets]

They're not evil but given the right climate "they" will buy off government and politicians and rig the system for their benefit and consider the consumer and the public only when it suits their bottom line. Must be reasonably reigned in to do business consistent with ethics, consumer protection, fair competition, etc. Nothing wrong with profits in a fair competitive environment. But if big business goes unchecked it will almost inevitably go on the wrong course.

 

[tiznow]

oil went up cause the WORLD was consuming more and more of it and supply getting harder to find....so exxon made a ton....employed a ton of people.....and paid a shitton of taxes......

now its going down cause demand is going down as the world economy is going into a tailspin

big oil isn't in a rigged system if anything they are punished by government way more than most industries....i guess they get off somewhat easy on the environment end of things.....but that's because property rights are screwed up and government owns alot of the land vs. individuals or other companies.....that would bitch if exxon or whoever spilled shit on their property....

as for the banks and the financial system....that's a completely different story

that's "rigged" in the fed creates vast amounts of credit for them to use.....and if they get in a bad spot the fed/taxpayer is there to clean up the mess for them......they take on more risk for that reason they have easy credit and they have the backstop of the taxpayer....this also is partially the reason that oil got outta hand....our debt allowed the world at large to boom too much....not just us.....its all connected buddy....

that's the root of the problem.....the government backstop to companies.....specifically the financial markets...

not the free market place

 

[GoSooners]

I worked for General Motors for 28 years...All I can say is thank God for a union, because that company is about as evil and unforgiving on it's workers as they come. Something most people on the outside don't understand.

 

[tiznow]

capitalism and free markets can be a dog eat dog world....its not gonna hold anybody's hand

but overall that's why we became the country we became and we became more prosperous as a nation

socialism and big government is why we are going down the tubes...it creates laziness....people are always looking for handouts and excuses for why they got there....instead of being an entrepenuer and figuring out how to make their situation better

if GM ain't paying you enough to have the things you want....than find another job that pays better.....

 

[TheRightSide]

I worked for General Motors for 28 years...All I can say is thank God for a union, because that company is about as evil and unforgiving on it's workers as they come. Something most people on the outside don't understand.

Bullshit they gave you a great life and thats the thanks you give them. Where else could you of made that much money with being so protected. Yeah no wonders they started to hate the unions. You guys have job banks that people show up and do nothing to earn it yet still get paid.


What would you have done without GM. You needed them a lot more than they needed you.

You guys just have a nice club that not everyone could join and you still bitch. All that free healthcare and all the other perks. I will not shed a tear for you.

 

[TheRightSide]

I worked for General Motors for 28 years...All I can say is thank God for a union, because that company is about as evil and unforgiving on it's workers as they come. Something most people on the outside don't understand.

Here's a good example. I was trying to deliver some parts to GM. Oops sorry I got there about 2 after 12noon. I had to sit there and watch all the union fucks do nothing to unload my truck (1 pallet) So I had to waste my time and my companies productivity because you guys were on "break"


I got more union stories for ya buddy. I live outside Detroit

 

[TomKing]

I worked for General Motors for 28 years...All I can say is thank God for a union, because that company is about as evil and unforgiving on it's workers as they come. Something most people on the outside don't understand.

How much did you make and what did you have to do to get to that pay level?

 

[TheRightSide]

How much did you make and what did you have to do to get to that pay level?

He made a boat load and he didn't have to work all that hard. Shit they don't even have to show up.

 

[tiznow]

Bullshit they gave you a great life and thats the thanks you give them. Where else could you of made that much money with being so protected. Yeah no wonders they started to hate the unions. You guys have job banks that people show up and do nothing to earn it yet still get paid.


What would you have done without GM. You needed them a lot more than they needed you.

You guys just have a nice club that not everyone could join and you still bitch. All that free healthcare and all the other perks. I will not shed a tear for you.

big government and socialism as well as my federal reserve rant is why their pension is at risk as well

but i'm guessing by the end the taxpayer will pick up the bill as usual

 

[punter]

Maybe its big Companies that put their names on athletic stadiums. Enron, Ameriquest and soon American airlines. I name the latter because they keep laying off workers and dropping routes but the management is untouchable.

 

[TheRightSide]

Maybe its big Companies that put their names on athletic stadiums. Enron, Ameriquest and soon American airlines. I name the latter because they keep laying off workers and dropping routes but the management is untouchable.

Now that I agree with. WTF bonuses for failing companies. Now that is shitty. They should get run out of town with a box just like the regular Joe.

 

[cutacrossshorty]

oil went up cause the WORLD was consuming more and more of it and supply getting harder to find....so exxon made a ton....employed a ton of people.....and paid a shitton of taxes......

now its going down cause demand is going down as the world economy is going into a tailspin

big oil isn't in a rigged system...

It's a rigged system if they are somehow involved in keeping the supply down. There is some evidence to suggest that "big oil" won the power struggle to determine what happens with Iraq's oil. I only took 100 level economic courses in college, but the idea of supply and demand isn't that complicated. When demand is high and the supply is low, the higher the price. If they control the fate of Iraq's oil, they certainly have incentive to keep it from reaching the surface.

 

[tiznow]

the easy to tap shit is running out....its getting harder and more costlier to find new stuff....they need better technology and such to model and find new oil.....they've done a really good job keeping up with demand over the long term....days of 40 dollar oil are over unless we hit a nasty global depression

remember inflation in fiat too

a gallon of milk used to cost a nickel

oil's rise vs. many other goods over the long term view is much much less

 

[tiznow]

speaking of iraqi oil recently read they have a huge surplus due to oil exports....

with all the money we pumping in to help them build up their infrastructure more taxpayer funded nonsense

we can't keep doing all this shit we going broke....

iraq was a strategic move by the deciders....we'll see how it works out over the long haul....near term its turned out very badly

 

[GoSooners]

You guys are totally clueless when it comes to unions. Rightside...You should know better than say that after the disasters that happen in Michigan in the 80's when GM decided to leave town (leave the country) and left the town of Flint, Michigan and all of their workers out in the cold. Workers who dedicated many years to GM lost their livlihoods, and many lost their lives because of the coldblooded move by this company.
Yes, we have a job bank thanks to the union..And thanks to this incident..A safety net for when this company decides to shut down more plants, which they will in the future. As for earning a good leving, yes I earned a good living. But like most workers where I came from I earned every bit of it..Let GM offer $10 an hour jobs without a union and see how many people come out and do this kind of work..I guarantee you it would be a sweatshop, and nobody would work for this company..Something you wankers on the outside don't understand is the union is not there just to negotiate workers salaries, it's there to protect it's workers...Half the jobs in an assembly plant can hurt and injure you permantley...And I guarantee you GM doesn't care as long as they have a warm body on the job. This is where the union does the majority of their work..They make sure GM does things by the book...You people don't get this is why the unions were formed in the first place....It was because of the deplorable conditions in the auto plants that physically hurt and killed many workers.

I've talked to some workers who worked at the non-union Saturn plant, and they all tell me the same thing...The biggest mistake they ever made was not voting in a union when they first opened. And the Saturn plant is now in trouble of being closed. And those people have no safety net..They'll be out in the cold when their gone. Sure there are things about a union that rubbed me the wrong way...I didn't like their seniority system within the plant at times...But those are all small complaints compared to the help it gave to me...I'll always be forever grateful to my union...It is an absolute necessity within the auto industry.

 

[Vision]

Don't they understand that people need to be employed. Big oil....what does that mean and why is it all the sudden so bad. These companies are so huge and everyone gets upset when they turn a profit. Why would a company not want to make money. They put up all the risk why shouldn't they make money.

Thinksabout how much money they generate for other businesses. The local eateries all around these giant complexes. What about all the benefits it does for the towns.

Big Autos. Being in Michigan I have seen what happens when there is a downturn to this business. With that being said there is still many many people employed here. The union is getting out of hand up here and it cost us another 3000 jobs when VW decided not to build here.


Big business is good for the working folk. Where else could a school dropout make 30 and hour. How much tax revenue do they contribute. Yet you hear people despising these compnies. Just foolish on thier part.

This is America We are aloowed to make money in this country. Atleast for a few more months.

The problem is it's heartless, cold, and unaccountable. Big business is a bureaucratic machine with only one interest: capital. Only solution is more regulation and personal accountability for people involved in business and corporations.

 

[gtc08]

i dont even bother with rightside. i feel like im talking to a little kid when i talk to him. trails me in other forum posts as well.

 

[tiznow]

The problem is it's heartless, cold, and unaccountable. Big business is a bureaucratic machine with only one interest: capital. Only solution is more regulation and personal accountability for people involved in business and corporations.

your avatar fits this statement well :grandmais

when government gets involved is when the big business is allowed to do all the bad stuff the free market place tends to work itself out

if some business is messing around with another business or individual they deal with it via the courts

capitalism isn't perfect but its been shown by history to be the best system.....

what we have now is some fascist/socialistic/communistic/capitalist blend....can't really describe it....and moving more away from captialism and more towards the other 3