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I consider myself one of the biggest orioles fans in Baltimore, but since i think the orioles bullpen is awful, then i am anti orioles?
 

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Look how bad our military struggles againt pathetic Iraq.

If we fought anyone with anyone real kind of power we would GET KILLED.
 

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just sad PP... you put up an article that not only tells how big he is once, but twice! that will really make you a credible source.
 

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I consider myself one of the biggest orioles fans in Baltimore, but since i think the orioles bullpen is awful, then i am anti orioles?


I think that's why Sam Perlozzo got fired today. :thumbsup:
 

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If the orioles were undoubtedly the best team in MLB and you said you were a huge orioles fan... and then you said they are terrible... then people would have a problem with what you said. They would probably come the conclusion that a) you dont know anything about baseball, or b) you aren't a true orioles fan.
 

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And here was his response to it.......

Actually, I have found one typo in the theatrical release of the film. It was a caption that read, "Willie Horton released by Dukakis and kills again." In fact, Willie Horton was a convicted murderer who, after escaping from furlough, raped a woman and stabbed her fiancé, but didn't kill him. The caption has been permanently corrected on the DVD and home video version of the film and replaced with, "Willie Horton released. Then rapes a woman." My apologies to Willie Horton and the Horton family for implying he is a double-murderer when he is only a single-murderer/rapist. And my apologies to the late Lee Atwater who, on his deathbed, apologized for having engineered the smear campaign against Dukakis (but correctly identified Mr. Horton as a single-murderer!).
That says nothing of putting the 2 ads together, or how they put a typo in there in the first place.
 

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The context of the Bush ad was accurate.Dukakis was a pablum puking liberal that was soft on crime that caused unbelievable pain and sufferin on an innocent family so much that the Judge would not allow Horton to remain in Massachusetts/Dukakis custody for fear of being released again.

[edit] Criminal activity and incarceration

On October 26, 1974, in Lawrence, Massachusetts, Horton and two accomplices robbed Joseph Fournier, a 17-year-old gas station attendant, stabbed him 19 times, and left him in a trash can. Fournier died from blood loss. Horton was convicted of murder, sentenced to life imprisonment, and incarcerated at the Concord Correctional Facility in Massachusetts.
On June 6, 1986, he was released as part of a weekend furlough program but did not return. On April 3, 1987 in Oxon Hill, Maryland, Horton twice raped a local woman after pistol-whipping, knifing, binding, and gagging her fiancé. He then stole the car belonging to the man he had assaulted, but was later captured by police after a chase. On October 20, Horton was sentenced in Maryland to two consecutive life terms plus 85 years. The sentencing judge refused to return Horton to Massachusetts, saying, "I'm not prepared to take the chance that Mr. Horton might again be furloughed or otherwise released. This man should never draw a breath of free air again." This was reported in the October 1987 Reader's Digest.
 

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Look how bad our military struggles againt pathetic Iraq.

If we fought anyone with anyone real kind of power we would GET KILLED.


they want to sustain the war not win it

establish a military base not mush else

thats the mission
 

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That says nothing of putting the 2 ads together, or how they put a typo in there in the first place.

Do you really think there's much of a difference between "rape and murdered" and "raped and stabbed"? Is one getting a point across more then the other??


Are there other cases of this?
 

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LOL... yes tony i agree

Vol- i think when moore makes comments like that, it is the same as me saying the orioles are awful. if the orioles were indeed the best team in baseball, and lost 5 in a row, i might say man the O's suck... now imagine losing 30 in a row (bush being in office). you can still love something but at a certain point hate it.
 

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Do you really think there's much of a difference between "rape and murdered" and "raped and stabbed"? Is one getting a point across more then the other??


Are there other cases of this?
The problem is that the ad was clearly edited by Moore in attempt to misrepresent the facts. And if you mean by other cases editing video together, yes, and again in the same movie. Charlton Heston's NRA speech had the same thing. Or he changed ties about every other sentence.

There are other things, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
 

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Horton twice raped a local woman after pistol-whipping, knifing, binding, and gagging her fiancé.

What it fails to point out is this guy did this in front of the fiance after he stabbed him.
I don't think there is a hell of a lot of space between murder and what this prick did.

The context of the ad was to show what wimp ass Dukakis was.Giving the guy a furlough anyway/

you can be picky all you want but the context and purpose of the ad was 100% accurate.
 

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Michael Moore is an interesting character. While the left currently embraces him, they quickly forget (and MM never brings up) that he was a big part of the Nader success in 2000. Moore had more than 1 speech where he mocked Clinton for his attacks on Afghanistan are purely diversionary tactics because of the Lewinsky scandal (settle down Pat Patriot - we all know she's fat and jewish)

Along with Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Phil Donahue, Eddie Vedder and others now firmly in the pocket of the perceived left - they actually must lay awake at night with the realization that there's a good chance we wouldn't have this alcoholic-semi-retarded train wreck called GW Bush in office right now had it not been for their efforts in helping made Nader the influence he was in 2k. Lest we forget the big rally at MSG that many credit with making Nader a "legit" candidate in 2000 (and essentially the lefts version of Ross Perot)

F911 is definitely a POV documentary. However, when the biggest "lies" that people can dig up with regards to it are that Moore used incorrect font sizes to misrepresent how big headlines were, or that he filmed a "hit piece" that was self serving, well whoopdeedoo! Neither political side has any problem sicking the lawyers on any perceived slander -- yet the biggest lawsuit to stem from F911 was from a soldier who had a change of heart about appearing in the film after being portrayed as a victim.

It's too bad the country is so polarized. I loved the scene where Moore goes after the politicians on the street with the recruitment brochures for their kids. Every single person who has served, has someone serving, or has known someone who has served should have embraced that piece. Rarely do these guys get their feet held to the fire on camera and Moore did it without apology in that scene.

I'm looking forward to seeing Sicko. Anyone who has ever been jerked around by an HMO (or in my case, watched my sister get absolutely screwed over by her HMO) is glad that some of these stories will at least become part of the public domain and will at least serve as a heads up for those who pay into a plan and believe they are covered.
 

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You mean the Heston interview where he made him look like a complete idiot? Where Heston didn't answer one question he asked. And the questions he did answer, moore proved were idiotic responses.
 

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I don't think Michael Moore hates America, and he probabaly believes a lot of what he says. Though he's a "shock" filmmaker and does sell out to sensationalism.

I don't know if we can put a percentage on how much of his movies are lies, but it certainly is enough to alienate even those who might have believed the original premise.

For instance, in F911, he made some interesting points, and even threw in some funny Bushisms, the type we might see on Saturday Night Live (those are almost always funny, no matter who the politician in question).

But Moore completely blew it when he portrayed Iraq under Saddam and before the invasion as a virtual Brady Bunch neighborhood, with birds chirping and children playing in the park. That's the part of the movie that made him lose credibility.

I don't think it's un-American to criticize the president, even in time of war. But it is inappropriate to disrespect the president, whether we are in war or at peace. If we had a disagreement with our mom, we probably wouldn't call her a "stupid, f**kin a**hole," because that would be disrespectful.

Call me old-fashioned but calling the president awful names is like mooning a nun.

I'm curious to see "Sicko." I have big problems with the health care industry in this country. Not that I'm for socialized medicine. But, would I like to see the pharmaceuticals taken down a peg? Absolutely. I hope Moore doesn't screw up this message, too.
 

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I loved the scene where Moore goes after the politicians on the street with the recruitment brochures for their kids. .
I only saw it twice. But remember that part like I just saw it. The look of discomfort in those faces was unmistakable.
 

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You mean the Heston interview where he made him look like a complete idiot? Where Heston didn't answer one question he asked. And the questions he did answer, moore proved were idiotic responses.
No, I mean footage of NRA rallys.
 

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LOL... yes tony i agree

Vol- i think when moore makes comments like that, it is the same as me saying the orioles are awful. if the orioles were indeed the best team in baseball, and lost 5 in a row, i might say man the O's suck... now imagine losing 30 in a row (bush being in office). you can still love something but at a certain point hate it.

I agree... maybe people just take him too literally at times. I don't think I have ever seen him say anything good about this country. Everything he does is negative... or he focuses on things he hates about the country.
 

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I don't know if we can put a percentage on how much of his movies are lies, but it certainly is enough to alienate even those who might have believed the original premise.
Thanks for making my point.
...and great first post,RW.
 

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