Why Books win more then they lose

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Sure books win money off there players because they get to collect the juice over time and also they clean house with the sucker bets (teasers, parlays) that are lost. Of course one of the biggest ways is through bad money management and guys chasing when they are down and losing their shirts or the reverse they are up big and take a shot to double up and then give it back. All these things contribute to books winning overtime but I am here to tell you that over the course of a season in almost every sport every year we also win approximately 55% of the sides we need on the Big (largely bet) games. The games I am referring to are SNF, MNF, Marquee matchups in NFL, The ESPN games on Saturdays (like Florida last Saturday) and other large games (like Texas on Saturday). In college hoops it is much the same as CFB. Of course the bowl season and all the playoffs including march madness we do the best because they are the heaviest bet games with the most action. So how do we do it? How do we over 55% of our big games over time? Well there are a couple of different reasons. Many say games are fixed and I have seen enough games to tell you for sure there are certain things that happen in some games where there definitely has been foul play. That being said it probably occurs in 1 out of 100 games or even more. That is my opinion. The main reason books win more then they lose in big games has to do with Tax. Public perception is everything and the guys who set the lines know this. Public teams getting taxed at a much higher rate then other teams. For Example look at LSU @ Florida from last weekend as an example. You had the LSU (ranked #4) at <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Florida</st1:place></st1:State> (ranked #11). Put these teams on a neutral field and LSU would be around a 4 point favorite give or take a couple points. Maybe even higher as we compare that to <st1:State w:st="on">Texas</st1:State> and <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Oklahoma</st1:place></st1:State> who also played neutral and line was 7 (another game which involved serious taxing). So LSU would be let’s say for example a 4 point favorite on a neutral field and now lets give Florida 4 points for home field advantage the line should have been around a pk. Lets even say they are in the swamp which is worth 2 more points due to the crazy environment there. Now we are giving a 6 point home field advantage so <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Florida</st1:place></st1:State> should have been -2. But they weren’t they were -6. That means LSU was taxed. Does this make sense to you? Line should have been 2 for this game without taxing either team. Due to public perception which involves many key factors such as but not limited too how they fared the previous week (Gators lost at home to Ole Miss) or LSU are the defending national champions. These are just a couple of examples but the line setters knew they could set the line at 6 and still get even action at the very least. Turns out even with a line of 6 the books were still rooting for the Gators. As the line rose to 7 at most shops LSU was taxed at an even higher tax rate. Overtime this tax adds up and there are games that land in the tax zone that the books win that had the game not been taxed they would have lost. I hope this makes sense to everyone; I did my best to explain. Remember I am not a writer. Also, I am sure there are many different and still some conflicting views on this matter. I do not proclaim to know all but this has been my experience and developed opinion from many years of watching where the line is set on these games.
 

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i understand that the pub usually gets an unfavorable line...... but in the florida game wasnt the line movement reversed....... cause people liked lsu and the line kept going up?????

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i understand that the pub usually gets an unfavorable line...... but in the florida game wasnt the line movement reversed....... cause people liked lsu and the line kept going up?????

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correct-books realized LSU was getting pounded so they knew they could raise the line and thus create a larger tax situation giving the LSU bettors the worst of it-this is very common. This is also known as reverse line movement
 

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LSU was getting more points...i think you got it mixed up.

if they were taxing LSU because of public perception, the line would be PK if you think the neutral line at florida should of been -2. This way you give the public horrible value on LSU, why would you give LSU more points as a "tax"?

getting more points with LSU compared to the nuetral line means books were BEGGING for LSU money since they thought correctly that Florida was gonna cover.

this situation should not be considered a "tax" since LSU was getting more points compared to your unbaised -2 line.
 

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LSU was getting more points...i think you got it mixed up.

if they were taxing LSU because of public perception, the line would be PK if you think the neutral line at florida should of been -2. This way you give the public horrible value on LSU, why would you give LSU more points as a "tax"?

getting more points with LSU compared to the nuetral line means books were BEGGING for LSU money since they thought correctly that Florida was gonna cover.

this situation should not be considered a "tax" since LSU was getting more points compared to your unbaised -2 line.

This is what I was thinking. Seems like the explanation is opposite.
 

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HUEGO-you are 100% correct as I got the games and points I wanted to make mixed up. Florida game was what I like to call a suck in game. Vegas really thought the Gators would destroy LSU in that spot so instead of setting the line at 2-they set the line at 6 to draw in more LSU action with the feeling they were going to clean the bettors out. A better example of what I was trying to illustrate would the the Oklahoma/Texas Game. The line in the Oklahoma game should have been 3-4 which I explained above. It was a #1 vs #5 team on a neutral field. However due to public perception (everyone talking about oklahoma already in the championship game) they knew they could make the line 7 (thus taxing oklahoma bettors) So now if you bet oklahoma you are getting a bad line and paying a tax that overtime makes the books very happy to collect the tax
 

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just like the giants were taxed tonight. if this were the first game of the season line would have been -3 or something near that imo.

sd -6 killed a lot of people as well. i am usually heavily biased towards the pats so i always think they can cover but even i had a feeling chargers would just get crushed. people put the pats up on this pedastal for some reason and always get public backing even without brady! pats had trouble beating sd with brady how could they win without him? now they just got crushed. so it wouldnt be shocking if denver get hammered at +3. all about public perception. people seem to have short term memory at times
 

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all it took was 1 dominating game by indy now there are -1 vs gb. seems like a lot of people should be on indy. will be an interesting game to watch
 

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funny-there is a huge thread about the NFL being rigged at the same time this is posted. I do believe there are some games that are questionable. Usually the outcomes arent affected rather the point spread. An example may be a referee calling an extra holding call or two to penalize a 20 point favorite up by 17 in the 4th quarter. This would be pretty easy to do and almost undetected. There was a game 2 years ago in College Football where there involved a home team laying exactly 8 points. Everybody and their mother was on the favorite. I think it was close to 90% lopsided if I remember correctly. The favorite was up by 9 points taking a knee on their own 30 yard line. There match figured wrong and there was a 5 second differential between the gameclock-in other words they would have to run 5 sec off the clock. Well on 4th down instead of the QB dropping back and throwing a pass downfield or running around few a few or punting (remember they were up more 2 scores) The QB received the snap and sprinted backwards from the 30 to take a safety. Favorite ended up winning by 7 and won me and other books tons of money. But it was way too weird. I dont know if I am explaining it correctly. But trust me there was absolutely no reason to take the safety. NONE
 

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funny-there is a huge thread about the NFL being rigged at the same time this is posted. I do believe there are some games that are questionable. Usually the outcomes arent affected rather the point spread. An example may be a referee calling an extra holding call or two to penalize a 20 point favorite up by 17 in the 4th quarter. This would be pretty easy to do and almost undetected. There was a game 2 years ago in College Football where there involved a home team laying exactly 8 points. Everybody and their mother was on the favorite. I think it was close to 90% lopsided if I remember correctly. The favorite was up by 9 points taking a knee on their own 30 yard line. There match figured wrong and there was a 5 second differential between the gameclock-in other words they would have to run 5 sec off the clock. Well on 4th down instead of the QB dropping back and throwing a pass downfield or running around few a few or punting (remember they were up more 2 scores) The QB received the snap and sprinted backwards from the 30 to take a safety. Favorite ended up winning by 7 and won me and other books tons of money. But it was way too weird. I dont know if I am explaining it correctly. But trust me there was absolutely no reason to take the safety. NONE

hahahaha that is sooo sketchy. no doubt that game was rigged. u remember what game?
 

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hey excuse the newbie

but what is a side bet exactly? aren't all bets just...bets?
 

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hahahaha that is sooo sketchy. no doubt that game was rigged. u remember what game?
I remember the favorite was wash st I am pretty sure-if you know how to do a search for all their games it was within the last 4 years. I am pretty sure they were on the road and they won by 7 but I could be slightly off on the numbers and where they played but I think this is right. I want to say their opponent was UCLA but that is very hazy
 

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any games qualify this weekend as over taxed lines ? ncaa or nfl thks
 

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from my experience, i think most players lose because of money management......
when you win, you win small, when you lose, you lose big........ chasing and tilt killed me for big numbers in the past
 

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I remember the favorite was wash st I am pretty sure-if you know how to do a search for all their games it was within the last 4 years. I am pretty sure they were on the road and they won by 7 but I could be slightly off on the numbers and where they played but I think this is right. I want to say their opponent was UCLA but that is very hazy

I think this is the game you're talking about BB. I think I was actually at this game and wondered what the fuck WSU was doing haha. Depressing to look back and see how far my Cougs have fallin in such a short period of time!

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=232980265
 
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