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[h=1]Why Ben Carson’s Nazi Analogies Matter[/h] OCT. 20, 2015

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Peter Wehner




LIKE many other political autodidacts, Ben Carson has an odd obsession with Nazi Germany.

On several occasions, the pediatric-neurosurgeon-turned-Republican-presidential-candidate has compared the United States to the Third Reich. Mr. Carson has warned that a Hitler-like figure could rise in America. To understand what is happening in the Obama era, he recommended that people read “Mein Kampf.” And he won’t let go of the myth that the Holocaust would have been “greatly diminished” if Jews in Nazi Germany had been allowed to possess guns.
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[h=2]Peter Wehner[/h] [h=3]American politics and conservative thought.[/h]

To declare the United States to be “very much like Nazi Germany” is a special kind of libel, yet Mr. Carson is clearly drawn to it. Part of the explanation may be that people who want to impress sometimes invoke imbecilic historical analogies, with the default one often being Nazi Germany. Some part of the answer has to do with his staggering ignorance when it comes to the unique malevolence of Hitler’s Germany. And for still others, it’s a way to convey alarm and mobilize supporters. In the case of Mr. Carson, it also appears to be based on the belief that progressive ideas share intellectual roots with fascism, with Nazism — the National Socialist German Workers’ Party — being an extreme version of progressivism.


One might expect a fringe presidential candidate to resort to the Nazi analogy. But what is disturbing is that in this case the person making the comparison is polling second in the Republican race for president. In the most recent Fox News national poll, Donald J. Trump drew 24 percent support while Mr. Carson had 23 percent. Between them, then, they are pulling in just under half of the support among Republicans.
In one respect, Mr. Carson is the antithesis of the crude and boisterous Mr. Trump. In tone and style, Mr. Carson comes across as calm, reasonable and agreeable. But in fact he is more rhetorically intemperate than even Mr. Trump.
For example, Mr. Carson has referred to the Affordable Care Act as “the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery” and compared it to slavery. He has implied that President Obama’s pledge to transform America was modeled after Cuba, Russia and other “places that have a Socialist/Communist base.”
Mr. Carson had expressed concern that if Republicans didn’t win control of the Senate in 2014, “there may be so much anarchy going on” that the 2016 elections couldn’t be held. He has endorsed the work of W. Cleon Skousen, a conspiracy-minded author and supporter of the John Birch Society. (Mr. Carson views Mr. Skousen’s work, especially “The Naked Communist,” as an interpretive key to America today.) He has also said that a Muslim should not be president of the United States, although he later insisted he had in mind Muslims who wanted to impose Shariah law on America.
Such rhetorical recklessness damages our political culture as well as conservatism, a philosophy that should be grounded in prudence, moderation and self-restraint. That doesn’t mean that conservatives should not use language that inspires people to act. But they should respect certain rhetorical boundaries. There are some places they shouldn’t go.

Mr. Carson doesn’t abide by such niceties, and he may be accurately gauging the mood of many Republicans. The Times reports that advisers who once fretted about his inflammatory rhetoric have now decided to “let Carson be Carson.” Mr. Carson has said that the message he’s receiving from supporters is, “Don’t stop. Don’t give in to the left-wing media. Go ahead and be yourself and talk about what we the people want to hear about.”
We hear similar expressions from supporters of Mr. Trump. Both Mr. Trump and Mr. Carson provide evidence that, for now at least, a large percentage of Republican voters are in a fiercely anti-political mood. As a result, the usual ways voters judge a candidate — experience, governing achievements, mastery of issues — have been devalued. People are looking for candidates not only to give voice to their anger but to amplify it. Reason has given way to demagogy. In a political context, Mr. Trump and Mr. Carson represent the id rather than the superego, not just in what they say but in how they perceive the world around them.
For the Republican Party to overcome this will require its presidential candidates to inspire voters to believe in the large purposes of politics. But it will also require Republican voters to lift their sights and raise their expectations about the goals of politics, which are to improve the lives of our fellow citizens in concrete ways; to advance, even imperfectly, liberty, opportunity and a more decent and just society.

Self-government requires more of people than pounding sand. There is vital work that needs to be done, including addressing sluggish economic growth, a widening opportunity gap and an unsustainable entitlement system. Because these things are hard doesn’t mean we can give up, and we certainly don’t need conspiracy-minded amateurs like Mr. Carson and Mr. Trump distracting our attention from them.
Politics isn’t meant to be a catharsis. Yet for many of my fellow conservatives, raging against the system — the much-maligned “establishment” — is just that. I get that it may be emotionally satisfying to cheer on careless rhetoric, to portray every political difference as a “give me liberty or give me death” moment, and to imply that America under Barack Obama is like Germany under Adolf Hitler. But it is also intellectually discrediting, politically self-defeating and unworthy of those who are citizens of a great republic.
 

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Why can't they both be stupid? You continue to point at Obamas words instead of addressing the idiotic statements of these foolish republican candidates.

Are you the guy that justifies bad behavior by pointing to the other guy and saying " see he does it, what about him"

i hope it's not something you've passed on. For people who claim personal responsibility and accountability.....you sure don't practice what you preach.
 

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Sheriff Joe just owned this thread.
Might as well close it now.
 

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"to imply that America under Barack Obama is like Germany under Adolf Hitler......is intellectually discrediting."

Now it's "Nailed."

Pubs shooting themselves in the foot again. Carson way overboard with this nutcrackery. And Trump going too far on 9/11 as well. They're going to pay a price. And that Price is Hillary.
 

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Why can't they both be stupid? You continue to point at Obamas words instead of addressing the idiotic statements of these foolish republican candidates.

Are you the guy that justifies bad behavior by pointing to the other guy and saying " see he does it, what about him"

i hope it's not something you've passed on. For people who claim personal responsibility and accountability.....you sure don't practice what you preach.

well, at least I'm not here telling you to do he things I myself don't do

so you have guesser being hypocrite, something you're acknowledging

and you being a hypocrite for not doing what you want me to do

as for me, I'm just pointing out hypocrisy
 

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well, at least I'm not here telling you to do he things I myself don't do

so you have guesser being hypocrite, something you're acknowledging

and you being a hypocrite for not doing what you want me to do

as for me, I'm just pointing out hypocrisy

Interesting circular logic there.

Your hypocrisy is astounding but nothin new or unusual. I think if you would admit that you have a different set of rules for people depending on their party registration, instead of trying to act like a " call it as I see it" guy......it might stop you looking foolish when commenting on things like this.
 

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Sheriff Joe just owned this thread.
Might as well close it now.


Yep. He did.


experience, governing achievements, mastery of issues — have been devalued.


Absolutely fucking hilarious.

Should we review the Stuttering Clusterfuck's "experience, achievements and mastery of issues" which punched his ticket to the White House? How many of his voters voted for him just because of the color of his skin? Because...our first black president! Policies and intentions be damned!
 

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Yep. He did.


experience, governing achievements, mastery of issues — have been devalued.


Absolutely fucking hilarious.

Should we review the Stuttering Clusterfuck's "experience, achievements and mastery of issues" which punched his ticket to the White House? How many of his voters voted for him just because of the color of his skin? Because...our first black president! Policies and intentions be damned!

How many voted against him for the color of his skin?

obama was elected because the previous 8 years was a disaster.....the public was not gonna elect a republican for president in 2008. Add the joke that is Sarah Palin and you have an easy win for the dems.
 

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What Obama does...... and what Carson says...... are two completelly different issues, at least as far as missteps go.
For Carson to compare America with Obama in the White House to the murderous nazi regime is
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How many voted against him for the color of his skin?

obama was elected because the previous 8 years was a disaster.....the public was not gonna elect a republican for president in 2008. Add the joke that is Sarah Palin and you have an easy win for the dems.


I don't know, but I really don't put much of a difference between voting for or against someone for no other reason than skin color. It's the same motive IMO.

Part of the reason the Stuttering Clusterfuck won was because one party rarely wins three straight terms, and he also campaigned on "hope and change" (I'd have respected him more if he'd said smoke and mirrors). I hope a lot of the country is beginning to understand the end result of these inane dimocrap policies. America has gotten a taste, and I don't think they cared much for it. I guess we'll find out in a year.
 

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I don't know, but I really don't put much of a difference between voting for or against someone for no other reason than skin color. It's the same motive IMO.

Part of the reason the Stuttering Clusterfuck won was because one party rarely wins three straight terms, and he also campaigned on "hope and change" (I'd have respected him more if he'd said smoke and mirrors). I hope a lot of the country is beginning to understand the end result of these inane dimocrap policies. America has gotten a taste, and I don't think they cared much for it. I guess we'll find out in a year.

We got a taste of republican nonsense from 2000-2008 and I suspect people aren't interested in going back to those days either.

George Bush created Obama.......his disaster presidency made anything else possible and was the biggest factor in Obama being elected. But, like I said, any dem with a pulse who said change, was gonna win in 2008. Bush admin complete failure and incompetence insured it.
 

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I think guesser is trying to fill the forum void created by duuuuuhfinch's mysterious absence (I'm speculating he's joined scum in greener pastures, where their reputations are not yet soiled by their own words)
WTF is Wrong Way babbling about? Whatever it is, it's wrong, as he always is down here. Can't wait for his always wrong Poll analysis as the elections get closer. Those are money makers to those that pay attention. When/if Casper agrees, those are "Take The Belt, off The Gelt" Plays.
 

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well, at least I'm not here telling you to do he things I myself don't do

so you have guesser being hypocrite, something you're acknowledging

and you being a hypocrite for not doing what you want me to do

as for me, I'm just pointing out hypocrisy
Hypocricy? What the Fuck is this always Wrong Idiot babbling about?
 

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