Out,not saying I was in support of the action in Bosnia.Was torn on the issue at the time.At least there the reason we were told as to why we were involved actually existed.In Iraq it appears the reasons we went in did not exist. Also not sure what the cost of Bosnia in terms of dollars and American lives ended up being. Also the area was already in upheaval where Iraq was relatively stable. And finally I think we had more world support for taking action in Bosnia. I have not checked any of the facts here,just the situation as remember it.Also I think we will be involved in Iraq for a lot longer than we were in Bosnia.
"Why is billions spend on Iraq bad? And billions spend on Bosnia good?"
Depends on who you ask and who is spending the billions.....personally I wouldn't spend one red cent on either one of those two countries.....nationbuilding has been a waste of time, energy, and money.....
I've never been a fan of welfare, and this gross spending qualifies as welfare spending of the wholesale variety.
Who's great idea was it to start rebuilding oil rich countries who can damn well afford to help themselves?......Oh, I guess they remember where that help came from.....they send a thank-you note in the form of higher prices at the pump......really touching....
Depends on who you ask and who is spending the billions.....personally I wouldn't spend one red cent on either one of those two countries.....nationbuilding has been a waste of time, energy, and money.....
I've never been a fan of welfare, and this gross spending qualifies as welfare spending of the wholesale variety.
Who's great idea was it to start rebuilding oil rich countries who can damn well afford to help themselves?......Oh, I guess they remember where that help came from.....they send a thank-you note in the form of higher prices at the pump......really touching....
Attacking and eliminating terrorists is one thing.
Hanging around and spending billions of American dollars rebuilding a country financially capable of paying thier own rebuilding bill is another. Take some of the oil money that Saddam was skimming, and apply oil revenues to foot the bill....like was promised at the start of this useless endeavor by your treasured leader dubya.
Hanging around and spending billions of American dollars rebuilding a country financially capable of paying thier own rebuilding bill is another. Take some of the oil money that Saddam was skimming, and apply oil revenues to foot the bill....like was promised at the start of this useless endeavor by your treasured leader dubya.
GAMEFACE said:
Hit us, how the f... woud Iraq hit us. They were contained.
Again, no terrorism from Iraq before 9/11. What the f... is
wrong with you. You keep saying the same nonsense,
and just about everybody on the forum knows you are full
of ****. Iraq was not a serious problem, radical fundamentalist
were and still are the problem. Your ******* president made
them the problem and small minds like you bought it. Now
terrorism is present in Iraq--wonder why??
Marco,
I totally agree about footing the bill, however, the liberals would scream bloody murder if we took the oil. Trust me we could not do much as far as going after the terrorist by just hitting Afganistan it's a much bigger problem and Saddam and his sons had to go, Irans current leaders also.
I totally agree about footing the bill, however, the liberals would scream bloody murder if we took the oil. Trust me we could not do much as far as going after the terrorist by just hitting Afganistan it's a much bigger problem and Saddam and his sons had to go, Irans current leaders also.
Here's major differences between Bosnia and Iraq:
- In Bosnia we went there to stop ethnic cleansing. In Iraq we went there over 10 years after the ethnic cleansing had ceased, i.e., when Saddam had gassed the Kurds.
- In Bosnia, we had full support of NATO allies. In Iraq, we do not.
- In Bosnia, none of the reasons given to go to war have proven wrong. Can't say the same for Iraq.
- In Bosnia, we basically had no casualties as Wesley Clarke had correctly forecasted because of the political situation we could successfully conduct an air war. In Iraq, we the Administration ignored the advice of many commaders in the Pentagon such as general Shinseki and Assistant Secretary of the Army White, and didn't commit enough troops resulting in over a thousand dead and five times that wounded.
So they ain't remotely the same.
- In Bosnia we went there to stop ethnic cleansing. In Iraq we went there over 10 years after the ethnic cleansing had ceased, i.e., when Saddam had gassed the Kurds.
- In Bosnia, we had full support of NATO allies. In Iraq, we do not.
- In Bosnia, none of the reasons given to go to war have proven wrong. Can't say the same for Iraq.
- In Bosnia, we basically had no casualties as Wesley Clarke had correctly forecasted because of the political situation we could successfully conduct an air war. In Iraq, we the Administration ignored the advice of many commaders in the Pentagon such as general Shinseki and Assistant Secretary of the Army White, and didn't commit enough troops resulting in over a thousand dead and five times that wounded.
So they ain't remotely the same.
Don't even understand what you mean, sorry. I am not a liberal,GAMEFACE said:
you don't listen. But, I am also not a conservative. I told you
before but I will repeat. Each and every issue needs to be
answered with common sense. Not with R and D or l and c.
However, I will admit that I belive most conservatives are
hateful ass....s. I will also admit that many liberals are
full of s... Game if you answered my question, I missed it.
Of course I had so many that you ignored.
Game,
Since you didn't dispute any of my points I take it that you agree with me but actually you raise some good questions.
Game: How many innocent men, women and children were killed by D bombs?
Mud: Honestly do not know but my guess is that it is significantly less (by a factor of 10) than the civilian casualties in Iraq.
Game: Who controls the area now? Radical Muslims.
Mud: To quote Lee Corso, "not so fast my friend". This did help save Muslims from ethnic cleansing but to label radical muslims as in control is IMO an exaggeration.
Game: How much did it cost? 76 Billion.
Mud: I will take your word for it. So basically in 8 years we have spent 1/4 of the what we will have incurred in 2 years in Iraq.
Game: what's the exit strategy? What did the action have to do with Americas national defense?
Mud: Believe it or not, I share the first concern with you. The second question is you are right - it does not have to do with America's national defense, but it was never said to be, or to put it in the terms of the current Admin, it was never marketed that way.
Since you didn't dispute any of my points I take it that you agree with me but actually you raise some good questions.
Game: How many innocent men, women and children were killed by D bombs?
Mud: Honestly do not know but my guess is that it is significantly less (by a factor of 10) than the civilian casualties in Iraq.
Game: Who controls the area now? Radical Muslims.
Mud: To quote Lee Corso, "not so fast my friend". This did help save Muslims from ethnic cleansing but to label radical muslims as in control is IMO an exaggeration.
Game: How much did it cost? 76 Billion.
Mud: I will take your word for it. So basically in 8 years we have spent 1/4 of the what we will have incurred in 2 years in Iraq.
Game: what's the exit strategy? What did the action have to do with Americas national defense?
Mud: Believe it or not, I share the first concern with you. The second question is you are right - it does not have to do with America's national defense, but it was never said to be, or to put it in the terms of the current Admin, it was never marketed that way.
Mud,
I didn't dispute your points because, I believe our Govs #1 responsiblity is to defend our own country not to get invovle in Bosnia matters especially when clintoon sided with radical muslims. So if you're OK with the 76 billion spent on a a non-national security matter, why would I try to argue with you if you can't see it on your own.
I didn't dispute your points because, I believe our Govs #1 responsiblity is to defend our own country not to get invovle in Bosnia matters especially when clintoon sided with radical muslims. So if you're OK with the 76 billion spent on a a non-national security matter, why would I try to argue with you if you can't see it on your own.
