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The U.S. Supreme Court made it illegal to execute persons convicted of child-rape in a 5-4 decision Wednesday.
"The death penalty is not a proportional punishment for the rape of a child," wrote Justice Anthony Kennedy, who authored the majority opinion. The ruling broke on party lines, the liberal Justices John Paul Stevens, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer siding with Kenney.
In their decision, the liberal justices ruled that a Louisiana law that sent 43 year-old man named Patrick Kennedy to death row in 2003 for raping his 8-year old stepdaughter was “cruel and unusual punishment.”
“It is the judgment of the Louisiana lawmakers and those in an increasing number of other states that these harms justify the death penalty,'' conservative Justice Samuel Alito wrote in his dissent. “The court provides no cogent explanation why this legislative judgment should be overridden.''
The Supreme Court banned execution as a punishment for raping an adult in 1977, but five states, including Louisiana, had laws on the books to kill convicted child rapists.
Montana, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Texas currently allow executions for child rapists if the defendant had a prior conviction of child-rape. At this time, it is unclear how the Supreme Courts decision on Louisiana’s law will affect those states.
It will not forbid states from executing persons for child rape when other crimes have been committed such a murder
 

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Tocco, surprised no, disgusted, yes. Next thing you know they will be handing out merit badges.
 

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vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq-NJ...k-of-morality/


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Let me tell you why it’s so wrong, It’s so wrong because in these situations . . . that 6-year-old is going to sit in front of me, or somebody far worse than me and I’m going to rip them apart. I’m going to make sure that the rest of their life is ruined. That when they’re 8 years old they throw up; when they’re 12 years old, they won’t sleep. When they’re 19 years old they’ll have nightmares and they’ll never have a relationship with anybody. And that’s not because I’m a nice guy. That’s because when you’re in court, and you’re defending somebody’s liberty, and you’re facing a mandatory sentence of those draconian proportions, you have to do every single thing you can do on behalf of your client. That is your obligation as a trial lawyer.”

http://constitutionallyright.com/200...k-of-morality/


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Massachusetts Democrat to child rape victims: I will destroy you

On the stand, that is, in the course of defending his client. He’s obliged to scar you for life, making sure you’re psychologically “ruined” with insomnia, crippling bouts of trauma-induced vomiting, and dysfunctional relationships for your entire adulthood. The Founding Fathers would have wanted it that way, or something.

If only the Republicans would ease up on this mandatory sentencing thing, he could ease off a bit. Blame them. Exit quotation: “It’s a lot easier to call it knee-jerk when it’s not your daughter or granddaughter.” Click the image to watch.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/2...l-destroy-you/


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Debate Over Jessica’s Law Reveals Lack of Morality
Charles Signorile June 24th, 2008 Dumb Dems, Election 2008, Features, Liberals, Politics, Video

While it is true that it is wrong to stereotype people, there are those moments where individuals remind us how the stereotypes came to be in the first place. It is not only racial classes or religions that are stereotyped however, as I am sure we can all think of a lawyer joke or politician joke which will inevitable classify that group as heartless, corrupt, and only interested in their own self interests.

Democratic Representative James Fagan was in the Massachusetts State House yesterday railing against Jessica’s Law, which would mandate 20-year sentence for rape of a child under 12. As a defense attorney he took offense to the idea that someone convicted or raping a young child should have a mandatory sentence imposed on them, arguing it would force him to attack the little girl in order to defend his client:

(youtube video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq-NJ...k-of-morality/

While it is true that it is a defense attorney’s obligation to defend his or her client to the best of his of her ability, that is true in all cases. Mr. Fagan would have you believe that he would be harsher in his cross examination of the victim if his client is facing 20 years then if he was only facing 5 years. His illogical, and downright offense argument is that by mandating a sentence of 20 years, the State legislature will be victimizing the child by forcing him and his peers to traumatize the little girl on the witness stand. In essence, he argues that the only way to prevent him from “ruining” her life, is by offering leniency to the child rapist in the hopes he does not attack another young girl.

After watching this video I was reminded of the old joke, “What do you call 100 lawyers (or politicians) at the bottom of the ocean?…. A good start”.

http://constitutionallyright.com/200...k-of-morality/


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Jessica’s Law dad blasts Mass. rep By Dave Wedge

The father of a slain Florida girl pushing for mandatory prison time for child rapists in the Bay State is blasting a Taunton lawmaker who said he’d torment young victims on the witness stand to defend his perv clients.

“Why doesn’t he figure out a way to defend that child and put these kind of people away instead of trying to figure ways for defense attorneys to get around Jessica’s Law?” Mark Lunsford fumed, slamming recent remarks by Rep. James Fagan. “These are very serious crimes that nobody wants to take serious. What about the rights of these children?”

Lunsford, whose daughter Jessica was raped and murdered in Florida by a repeat sex offender, will be in Massachusetts tomorrow to push lawmakers to pass Jessica’s Law, which would require a 20-year sentence for rape of a child under 12. The House passed a watered-down version of the bill last week but Lunsford and other victims’ rights activists will be pushing the Senate to include mandatory prison time in the final law.

“If this bill is not going to put these people away, don’t disrespect me by putting my daughter’s name on it,” Lunsford told the Herald last night. “You have to put these guys in prison and admit these people are uncurable.”

Fagan, a defense attorney, infuriated victims’ rights advocates during a recent House debate when he said he would “rip apart” 6-year-old victims on the witness stand and “make sure the rest of their life is ruined.”

In a fiery soliloquy on the House floor, Fagan said he’d grill victims so that, “when they’re 8 years old they throw up; when they’re 12 years old, they won’t sleep; when they’re 19 years old, they’ll have nightmares and they’ll never have a relationship with anybody.”

Fagan did not return calls seeking comment.

Rep. Karyn Polito, a Republican from Shrewsbury who supports Jessica’s Law, said of Fagan’s comments: “The words speak for themselves. I think there’s a large part of the (House) membership that doesn’t agree with that.”

Fagan also called Jessica’s Law “knee-jerk” legislation and said “every time the Legislature has named a law after somebody, it has been a failure.”

That comment angered Ron Bersani, grandfather of Melanie Powell, whose death at the hands of a drunken driver inspired Melanie’s Law, which hiked OUI penalties.

“Absolutely ridiculous,” Bersani said. “I would beg to differ with Rep. Fagan.”

Bersani also took issue with Fagan’s characterization of such laws as “knee-jerk.”

“I find that description despicable,” Bersani said. “It’s a lot easier to call it knee-jerk when it’s not your daughter or granddaughter.”

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/re...&position=also

And people say it's a mistake groups like the ACLU defend child rapists like NAMBLA? Apparently, there is a pattern here.
 

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never understood why the death penalty is ""conservative"

while abortion is "liberal"

i mean there is some difference but either way you killing a human

makes no sense

death penalty is biased and will always overly target minorities and poor so for that reason i'm against it as i am abortion

and both are state issues and should be handled as such....federal government shouldn't be involved in either in anyway
 
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Hmmm ....

I dont recall Tocoo upset over Bush authorizing Iraqi children to be raped

Wonder why that was?


Children raped by American soldiers in front of their mothers - Pentagon has tapes

  • added June 11, 2008
http://www.boingboing.net/2004/07/15/h...


From Daily Kos' partial transcript of a video (link to REAL stream) of Seymour Hersh speaking at an ACLU event. He says the US government has videotapes of children being raped at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

" Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out."

Link (via Warren). There's also a piece worth reading in this week's Newsweek about new allegations of rape and sexual torture at Abu Ghraib. Feature includes details on the identities of the Iraqi prisoners shown in those widely-circulated photographs -- including Satar Jabar (charged with carjacking, not terrorism), whose iconic hooded figure with wires attached is derisively described by many Iraqis as the "Statue of Liberty."





Kids sodomized at Abu Ghraib, Pentagon has the videos - Hersh

Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 08:33:32 PM PDT

(From the diaries -- kos) Seymour Hersh says the US government has videotapes of boys being sodomized at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

"The worst is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking," the reporter told an ACLU convention last week. Hersh says there was "a massive amount of criminal wrongdoing that was covered up at the highest command out there, and higher."



This is a summary of Hersh speaking at the ACLU 2004 America At A Crossroads conference according to EdCone.com (via Oliver Willis). I verified by watching the video myself (it starts at 1:07, the "worse stuff" part starts at 1:30).

There's more bad stuff in here, read Ed Cone's summary.
I'll try transcribing some of the more important bits.


[my transcription from 1:31 - 1:32]
Some of the worse that happened that you don't know about, ok. Videos, there are women there. Some of you may have read they were passing letters, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib which is 30 miles from Baghdad [...]

The women were passing messages saying "Please come and kill me, because of what's happened". Basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys/children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. The worst about all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror it's going to come out.
It's impossible to say to yourself how do we get there? who are we? Who are these people that sent us there?
 

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You are posting shit from the Daily Kos!!! Now that's some funny shit!!!
 
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Innocent kids getting raped in a country Bush invaded illegally is funny?

Figures as mentally sick as you are ..
 

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I don't believe anything that comes out of the cesspool known as the Daily Kooks!! And you posting it just proves my point. More bullshit from you, as usual.
 

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You are posting shit from the Daily Kos!!! Now that's some funny shit!!!

I read the article and no where do it say
Children raped by American soldiers in front of their mothers - Pentagon has tapes.
I’m sure doc added that for effect.
 
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Leave it to the Right to defend this shit ...

The US government has videotapes of children being raped at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
 

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Leave it to the Right to defend this shit ...

The US government has videotapes of children being raped at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

Nice try, my statement was “I read the article and no where do it say Children raped by American soldiers in front of their mothers - Pentagon has tapes. I’m sure doc added that for effect.” you ambiguous ignoranus. What part of “American soldiers” don’t you understand?
 
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I understand the following

we are illegally occupying a country with no ties to 9-11 and the shit
going on over there is no difft than the shit in Vietnam

The blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the CIC
 

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I understand the following

we are illegally occupying a country with no ties to 9-11 and the shit
going on over there is no difft than the shit in Vietnam

The blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the CIC

Duck and dodge, I expected nothing more.
 

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Getting back to the topic at hand, I have to agree with Tiznow that the death penalty should not apply to child rapists. Not because child rapists don't deserve it, but because some overzealous, unprincipled prosecutor (and believe me, there are plenty of em from Maine to California) is sure to use the law to get the death penalty for some 17 year old who had sex with a consenting 13 or 14 or even 15 year old. In my state there have been two such cases recently where teenagers were sentenced by scumbag courts to long prison sentences.

Having said that, it is hard to believe that anyone could make a case that the death penalty for true child rapists is "cruel and unusual punishment".
 

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Getting back to the topic at hand, I have to agree with Tiznow that the death penalty should not apply to child rapists. Not because child rapists don't deserve it, but because some overzealous, unprincipled prosecutor (and believe me, there are plenty of em from Maine to California) is sure to use the law to get the death penalty for some 17 year old who had sex with a consenting 13 or 14 or even 15 year old. In my state there have been two such cases recently where teenagers were sentenced by scumbag courts to long prison sentences.

Having said that, it is hard to believe that anyone could make a case that the death penalty for true child rapists is "cruel and unusual punishment".
That is statutory rape. That's totally different. I am talking about grown adults, raping children. They should be put to death, no questions asked. The world would be a better place.
 

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That is statutory rape. That's totally different. I am talking about grown adults, raping children. They should be put to death, no questions asked. The world would be a better place.

As Sam Kinison said in Back to school, I like the way you think! :thumbsup:
 

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As Sam Kinison said in Back to school, I like the way you think! :thumbsup:
It amazes me that people could actually defend a rapist of children from being put to death. I just do not understand how anyone could be against killing the SOB that did that to a child. I guarantee, if someone did that to one of my children, the courts wouldn't have to worry. I would kill the motherfucker myself. Save the taxpayers from footing the bill for a trial and his imprisonment.
 

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