phdinsports said:Luck is everything short term, long term skill is huge, more so in a limit game, than no limit!
peteep said:I assume you meant skill is more important in no-limit. A NL game allows you to place bets large enough that drawing hands do not have the proper odds to make certain calls. Obviously bluffing is also more important. Limit hold em is a great game but less skill is required to play it.
phdinsports said:True but that is only if your on a draw. NL has less decision making. I mean there are usually one or two betting rounds, that's it before "all in" At least 40% of the players go all in before the flop, making it a crap shoot. Classic hand, pockets, vs over suited connectors, are usually called all in, left to the fate of the cards, and not the players, play. The major difference is in limit hold,the more pots you win, the more money you accumulate, in no limit, you could win more pots than your opponent, demonstrating superior play, but if you lose one all in, you may be eliminated, or way behind! You may have out won your opponent 9 pots to 2, but if those two loses are all in plays, your either out or behind. In a limit game, you out win your opponent 9 to 2 in pots, your guaranteed to be ahead in chips.
primetime21 said:I think many beginners think that luck is a big factor for a couple of reasons. First, they dont understand the game as well as they think they do. There are times when people make what appear to be bad calls, but in reality the calls arent as bad. I was like that when i first started playing.
second, they play low limits. If you play on Party poker for example, and play the NL cash games and play the NL 25 tables, you cant really complain about the players. At those levels you will find a ton of beginners that will make plenty of mistakes and in the short run will have a few bad beats that can eat up your bankroll. And most people dont even have big enough bankroll to last through bad stretches.
I know of so many people that will have a bankroll of 100 and start playing at a NL 25 table. They get a couple of bad beats, blow their bankroll and them ***** that PP is fixed.
There is a reason some players make a fortune playing poker and some players lose their shirts, and its no luck
phdinsports said:If the movie rounders portrayed a limit game, opinions would be vastly different. Like I said before, it takes more skill to win 9 pots while losing 2 to an opponent. In a limit game you will always be ahead of your opponent. In no limit, if those 2 loses are all in bets, theres a good chance you'll be behind or out, despite outplaying your opponent.
peteep said:I assume you are new to the game. You are correct that in the SHORT term you can get stung more in no-limit. But if you are a good player, you know when you are getting the best of it and when to make your opponents overpay to remain in the pot. In the long run, if you make these plays that force people to play with improper pot odds, you will be rewarded much more in a NL game. There is a reason they call it the cadillac of poker. You example of winning 9 pots vs 2 would only apply if you took bad beats or were playing below a level of optimal play. In the long run, a skilled player gets the cake
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QuickLearner said:By its nature, no-limit holdem is a short-term game. Whether you are playing in a tournament or have bought into a cash game, in a matter of a few hours you have either quit a winner or quit a loser. Over the short term a run of good cards (or bad ones) can determine the outcome for you regardless of your skill.
I guess that's why more pros play limit.