The Bills will be higher then a kyte for this game coming up; it's HUGE pay back and Bledsoe wants to beat The Pats soooooo bad. The aquisition of Lawyer Milloy has boosted the confidence level of the Bills so much. Trust me, the Bills are judging the WHOLE SEASON on this ONE game to see if they are ready to be contenders, and hopefully they are.
Hahaha, you just said the Pats and Bills defense are even. I know the Bills picked up Spikes and Adams but come on. Let them play a real game before you say something as ignorant as that. If Milloy plays he won't make to much difference. This is the same guy who last year created 0 turnovers, 0 sacks and under 100 tackles and everyone talks about this guy like he is Ray Lewis. Personally I think it is his cool name that everyone likes, and they can't forget it either.
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The Bills will be higher then a kyte for this game coming up; it's HUGE pay back and Bledsoe wants to beat The Pats soooooo bad. The aquisition of Lawyer Milloy has boosted the confidence level of the Bills so much. Trust me, the Bills are judging the WHOLE SEASON on this ONE game to see if they are ready to be contenders, and hopefully they are.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Couldn't agree more. I speak for most here in Boston
The Bills will be higher then a kyte for this game coming up; it's HUGE pay back and Bledsoe wants to beat The Pats soooooo bad. The aquisition of Lawyer Milloy has boosted the confidence level of the Bills so much. Trust me, the Bills are judging the WHOLE SEASON on this ONE game to see if they are ready to be contenders, and hopefully they are.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Couldn't agree more. I speak for most here in Boston
ChadC - I'm trying to have decent conversation and people like you have to come in here calling people ignorant.
You are right about one thing though, the defenses aren't as close as I thought. Both teams sucked against the run last year but the Bills actually have a pass defense. Bills ranked 6th, Patriots ranked 11th. Total yards allowed the bills ranked 15th, the Pats ranked 23rd.
Oh yeah, that was without Spikes and Adams.
Nice call.
KMAN
You are right about one thing though, the defenses aren't as close as I thought. Both teams sucked against the run last year but the Bills actually have a pass defense. Bills ranked 6th, Patriots ranked 11th. Total yards allowed the bills ranked 15th, the Pats ranked 23rd.
Oh yeah, that was without Spikes and Adams.
Nice call.
KMAN
You guys are nuts...
If anything I agree with Chad here.
#1 KMAN
In the last 2 times these teams met Antoine Smith played a huge role in the pats ability to win... So they can pass and they CAN run against Buffalo. Yes Buffalos D has improved but I still think Antoine is gonna be one of the keys to this game. and yes if he doesnt run they may have trouble.
#2 Cheater
If you read my other thread about this game you'll see that I pointed out that Bledsoe tends to over think stuff against the pats and that he will need to over come this. Yes he is gonna be up for this one but - is that a good thing? It remains to be seen.
#3 Chad
I wouldnt say that they are ignorant to say that the Bills are a decent D... Last year New England allowed 336.1 yds/game and the the Bills allowed 324.3. So in terms of total yards allowed the Bills actually were a better D. However the bills allowed an average of 24.8 points per game and the pats allowed 21.6... As for the loss of Milloy we gotta also keep in mind that they didnt just lose Milloy - they lost BOTH Tebucky and Milloy. Harrison is new and though he is aggressive which fits in nicely - he will still need to adjust. Milloy wasnt a nothing to this team - but the jury is out on whether or not this is gonna be a big loss or if the adjustments belecheck is making will compensate for this.
#4 Sepp
Speak for yourself and dont bother speaking for MOST in Boston... I would never say that I speak for anyone but myself and I'm not really sure how effective the statement you made is. On the other hand you got the right to say what you want so whoopiedoo...
#5 Deniro
I agree that Belechick knows how to play bledsoe but the D he has is very new.. One of the keys to the 2 wins last year was Ty Law's ability to shut down moulds. If Antoine can run well, Law can Shut down the competition, and the new scheme up front on D can stop the run I think the pats have a great chance to win this one.
Maybe not 38-7 like their first meeting last year (one thing to note is that Price scored the Bills only TD) - and maybe not 27-17 like their second meeting (Note here that MOULDS had 2 TDs, Antoine was held to 68 yds rushing, and the pats did have the fortune of good field position throughout) but I think the pats will win here by at least a couple.
GL to all
If anything I agree with Chad here.
#1 KMAN
In the last 2 times these teams met Antoine Smith played a huge role in the pats ability to win... So they can pass and they CAN run against Buffalo. Yes Buffalos D has improved but I still think Antoine is gonna be one of the keys to this game. and yes if he doesnt run they may have trouble.
#2 Cheater
If you read my other thread about this game you'll see that I pointed out that Bledsoe tends to over think stuff against the pats and that he will need to over come this. Yes he is gonna be up for this one but - is that a good thing? It remains to be seen.
#3 Chad
I wouldnt say that they are ignorant to say that the Bills are a decent D... Last year New England allowed 336.1 yds/game and the the Bills allowed 324.3. So in terms of total yards allowed the Bills actually were a better D. However the bills allowed an average of 24.8 points per game and the pats allowed 21.6... As for the loss of Milloy we gotta also keep in mind that they didnt just lose Milloy - they lost BOTH Tebucky and Milloy. Harrison is new and though he is aggressive which fits in nicely - he will still need to adjust. Milloy wasnt a nothing to this team - but the jury is out on whether or not this is gonna be a big loss or if the adjustments belecheck is making will compensate for this.
#4 Sepp
Speak for yourself and dont bother speaking for MOST in Boston... I would never say that I speak for anyone but myself and I'm not really sure how effective the statement you made is. On the other hand you got the right to say what you want so whoopiedoo...
#5 Deniro
I agree that Belechick knows how to play bledsoe but the D he has is very new.. One of the keys to the 2 wins last year was Ty Law's ability to shut down moulds. If Antoine can run well, Law can Shut down the competition, and the new scheme up front on D can stop the run I think the pats have a great chance to win this one.
Maybe not 38-7 like their first meeting last year (one thing to note is that Price scored the Bills only TD) - and maybe not 27-17 like their second meeting (Note here that MOULDS had 2 TDs, Antoine was held to 68 yds rushing, and the pats did have the fortune of good field position throughout) but I think the pats will win here by at least a couple.
GL to all
Agreed KMAN I guess Chad oughtta chill some...
The total rankings doesnt do as much for me as the actual yards I might point out.
Saying that the pats allowed 12 more yards on average per game and that they bills allowed about 3 points more per game seems to tell a better story in that the teams really arent that far apart - or werent in 2002 anyway.
The additions that the Bills made will tell the tale for this game. If they can produce then we'll all say at the end "that was why" but if they dont we'll all say that its because the pats have a better D...
It is the first "real" game of the season so I think we'll all be suprised in one way or another - and until the games start and we start to see things play out - all we can say may mean nothing.
Having said that - I lean Pats. Belechick isnt dumb - he made some changes on D and I trust that they will result in an improvement. Bills made some changes too and that make for a good game I bet.
Bottom line here on my opinion is:
if the pats can take care of the keys to the game:
Antoine Smith running well,
Stopping Moulds,
and Stopping Henry
- then they have a great chance to win.
I bet that they can do those things but we'll see.
GL to you ...
The total rankings doesnt do as much for me as the actual yards I might point out.
Saying that the pats allowed 12 more yards on average per game and that they bills allowed about 3 points more per game seems to tell a better story in that the teams really arent that far apart - or werent in 2002 anyway.
The additions that the Bills made will tell the tale for this game. If they can produce then we'll all say at the end "that was why" but if they dont we'll all say that its because the pats have a better D...
It is the first "real" game of the season so I think we'll all be suprised in one way or another - and until the games start and we start to see things play out - all we can say may mean nothing.
Having said that - I lean Pats. Belechick isnt dumb - he made some changes on D and I trust that they will result in an improvement. Bills made some changes too and that make for a good game I bet.
Bottom line here on my opinion is:
if the pats can take care of the keys to the game:
Antoine Smith running well,
Stopping Moulds,
and Stopping Henry
- then they have a great chance to win.
I bet that they can do those things but we'll see.
GL to you ...
In both games last year, the Pats jumped out to a big lead early and the Bills couldn't run travis henry. It could happen again this year but I think if the Bills can keep it close, Henry will be much more of a threat.
No doubt, Belichik, given time to prepare, is awesome at coming up with defensive schemes. I just think that this game means alot more to the Bills than it does to New England.
We'll see.
GL to all,
KMAN
No doubt, Belichik, given time to prepare, is awesome at coming up with defensive schemes. I just think that this game means alot more to the Bills than it does to New England.
We'll see.
GL to all,
KMAN
I hate to plagurize but I think this helps make my point:
Posted by: Sixth Sense
New England -1 BUFFALO 46
NE looked very, very good during the preseason. How that will carry over to the regular season, only time will tell. The Patriots had trouble running the ball last year, gaining only 3.7 ypr against teams allowing 4.2 ypr but they should find some success against Buffalo, who allowed 4.4 ypr against teams averaging 4.3 ypr. NE also didn't pass the ball very well, averaging just 5.7 yps against teams allowing 6.0 yps, while the Bills actually played pretty respectable pass defense last year, allowing just 5.7 yps against teams averaging 5.9 yps. On the other side of the ball, NE struggled to stop the run last year, allowing 4.7 ypr against teams averaging 4.4 ypr. As good a year as Travis Henry had last year, the Bills still only averaged 4.1 ypr against teams allowing 4.3 ypr, which made their running game below average. The strength of the Bills offense was their passing offense as they averaged 6.2 yps against teams allowing 6.0 yps but they will face a very good NE secondary, who allows just 5.7 yps against teams averaging 6.1 yps. The NE rush defense should get better this year with the addition of Ted Washington and linebacker Rosevelt Colvin from the Bears. Not only did Buffalo struggle to run the ball and their passing game was decent, but with the loss of Pearless Price at receiver, their passing game will probably take a hit. The Patriots have won five games in a row against Buffalo. Based on their dominating preseason, they also qualify in a 16-3-1 game one situation. They bring a better defense and I'll take the better defense in this game. NEW ENGLAND 26 BUFFALO 23
Posted by: Sixth Sense
New England -1 BUFFALO 46
NE looked very, very good during the preseason. How that will carry over to the regular season, only time will tell. The Patriots had trouble running the ball last year, gaining only 3.7 ypr against teams allowing 4.2 ypr but they should find some success against Buffalo, who allowed 4.4 ypr against teams averaging 4.3 ypr. NE also didn't pass the ball very well, averaging just 5.7 yps against teams allowing 6.0 yps, while the Bills actually played pretty respectable pass defense last year, allowing just 5.7 yps against teams averaging 5.9 yps. On the other side of the ball, NE struggled to stop the run last year, allowing 4.7 ypr against teams averaging 4.4 ypr. As good a year as Travis Henry had last year, the Bills still only averaged 4.1 ypr against teams allowing 4.3 ypr, which made their running game below average. The strength of the Bills offense was their passing offense as they averaged 6.2 yps against teams allowing 6.0 yps but they will face a very good NE secondary, who allows just 5.7 yps against teams averaging 6.1 yps. The NE rush defense should get better this year with the addition of Ted Washington and linebacker Rosevelt Colvin from the Bears. Not only did Buffalo struggle to run the ball and their passing game was decent, but with the loss of Pearless Price at receiver, their passing game will probably take a hit. The Patriots have won five games in a row against Buffalo. Based on their dominating preseason, they also qualify in a 16-3-1 game one situation. They bring a better defense and I'll take the better defense in this game. NEW ENGLAND 26 BUFFALO 23
Not to pound it home too much but - my thoughts are this:
#1 Smith needs to do well against his old team - like he has shown twice that he can.
#2 Law needs to stop Moulds. 2 TDs by moulds isnt gonna cut it in this game.
#3 The new scheme up front needs to stop Henry.
Pretty simple really. If they can't do it then they can't do it. I take the side that says they should be able to and probably will.
I could be wrong.
KMAN Do you think that they cant do these things or do you think that even if the pats do these things they still could lose?
just wondering
#1 Smith needs to do well against his old team - like he has shown twice that he can.
#2 Law needs to stop Moulds. 2 TDs by moulds isnt gonna cut it in this game.
#3 The new scheme up front needs to stop Henry.
Pretty simple really. If they can't do it then they can't do it. I take the side that says they should be able to and probably will.
I could be wrong.
KMAN Do you think that they cant do these things or do you think that even if the pats do these things they still could lose?
just wondering
Sorry about that - You're referring to the statement by Sixth Sense that says:
"They bring a better defense and I'll take the better defense in this game"
I agree with you KMAN on that point. The numbers don't show that NE brings a better D. They are about even.
Both teams have added some new people on D so now we'll see how it plays out.
When all is said and done tomorrow we'll be able to show who is better on D and that's all we'll have to go by.
GL
"They bring a better defense and I'll take the better defense in this game"
I agree with you KMAN on that point. The numbers don't show that NE brings a better D. They are about even.
Both teams have added some new people on D so now we'll see how it plays out.
When all is said and done tomorrow we'll be able to show who is better on D and that's all we'll have to go by.
GL
As a season ticket holder to the bengals; I'll be straight with you. Spikes is overrated. (Not sour grapes) If you seen him wiffing on tackles you would understand. He wants to be considered ray lewis but he is definately lacking. In the bengals system everything flowed through him and i can remember him making alot plays when the game was over. I seen terrell fletcher juking him lad. tomlinson blowing by him and the bus crushing him. I have bledsoe and reed in some fantasy leagues but new england is just one of those teams that win and you sit and wonder how.
good luck to all
p.s. my first week in and won 7 units in cfb
good luck to all
p.s. my first week in and won 7 units in cfb
Chico
If you're a Bengals season ticket holder, that it itself shows that you are a SUCKER for giving cheap Mike Brown your money. Please stop doing it.
I USED TO be a Bengals fan, but after putting close to $1,000 in the pocket of someone that doesn't care about winning as much as he cares bout his daughter and son keeping their jobs, I have given up on the Bungles.
PS: I love TKO Spikes. He has heart and he has energy. That matters more than anything else, afaiac.
If you're a Bengals season ticket holder, that it itself shows that you are a SUCKER for giving cheap Mike Brown your money. Please stop doing it.
I USED TO be a Bengals fan, but after putting close to $1,000 in the pocket of someone that doesn't care about winning as much as he cares bout his daughter and son keeping their jobs, I have given up on the Bungles.
PS: I love TKO Spikes. He has heart and he has energy. That matters more than anything else, afaiac.
KMAN,
Sorry if I got you a little worked up there. All I am trying to point out here is that the Pats D is better then the Bills D until the Bills prove something this season. I know they got big fat old Sam Adams and Takeo Spikes. But the Pats picked up Rosevelt Coleman and spent a first rounder on a DT to plug the middle. The Pats have the Bills number and will have an easier schedule this year and the luxury of not coming back from a Super Bowl victory with a big bulls eye on their fore heads. We'll see how it all plays out, but my money is on the Pats and will be on the Pats being a better team then the Bills all year. The most important thing today I think to watch will be the Bills #2 and #3 WR's since they lost Peerless. Also, I would like to see the Bills actually use their TE.
Sorry if I got you a little worked up there. All I am trying to point out here is that the Pats D is better then the Bills D until the Bills prove something this season. I know they got big fat old Sam Adams and Takeo Spikes. But the Pats picked up Rosevelt Coleman and spent a first rounder on a DT to plug the middle. The Pats have the Bills number and will have an easier schedule this year and the luxury of not coming back from a Super Bowl victory with a big bulls eye on their fore heads. We'll see how it all plays out, but my money is on the Pats and will be on the Pats being a better team then the Bills all year. The most important thing today I think to watch will be the Bills #2 and #3 WR's since they lost Peerless. Also, I would like to see the Bills actually use their TE.
Good luck guys - almost 4 hours till gametime...
I lost on the Jets Thursday cause I got greedy with the ML rather than the points.
2 more left today - the Pats big (@pk) and the Dolphins medium (@-13.5 bought 1).
If the pats win I'll be out in front but if only the fins do it for me I'll be down some.
At least one of these two should cash so I shouldn't be too worried...
Good points about Buffallo - in reading some press in Buffallo I am really starting to like the attitude of the bills, which doesnt fare well for my pats bet. But oh well I gotta go with the initial gut feeling.
GL this season guys.
I lost on the Jets Thursday cause I got greedy with the ML rather than the points.
2 more left today - the Pats big (@pk) and the Dolphins medium (@-13.5 bought 1).
If the pats win I'll be out in front but if only the fins do it for me I'll be down some.
At least one of these two should cash so I shouldn't be too worried...
Good points about Buffallo - in reading some press in Buffallo I am really starting to like the attitude of the bills, which doesnt fare well for my pats bet. But oh well I gotta go with the initial gut feeling.
GL this season guys.
