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Who Will Throw the Book at the Bushies? <!-- end headline -->
<!--deck-->News: If Congress won't, these folks might. <!--end deck-->

Editor's Note: George W. Bush's decision not to issue a pardon for any former White House officials has left open the question of whether he or his subordinates might be prosecuted for crimes committed during the past eight years. Saying that "we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards," President Barack Obama has signaled that he is not likely to delve too deeply into his predecessor's actions. Yet, as legal scholar Karen Greenberg argues in this companion piece, there are still ways besides trials and investigations to hold the Bush White House accountable for its abuses of power. And even if the Obama administration and Congress do not pursue justice for former Bush officials, international lawyers and courts just might.

While Democratic staffers say that Congress will continue to pick through the Bush administration's record, they doubt that it will take on the big issues.

Assuming Congress and the White House punt on Iraq and torture, who else could throw the book at the Bush/Cheney crew? A few possibilities:

A Rogue district attorney

In his recent book, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, former prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi lays out a creative argument that state or local prosecutors could indict Bush for murder if a soldier from their jurisdiction was killed in Iraq. It's a far-fetched premise, but with 2,700 DAs out there, Bugliosi—famous for putting Charles Manson away—says, "I just need one." (Last fall, the Vermont Progressive Party's candidate for attorney general said that if elected, she would appoint Bugliosi to implement his plan.) This unusual strategy is not unprecedented; witness New Orleans district attorney Jim Garrison's investigation into John F. Kennedy's assassination (as dramatized in JFK ). Garrison successfully subpoenaed evidence like the Zapruder film, which had not been seen publicly before the trial. Potential upshot: major embarrassment for Bush.

Likelihood: low.

Ticked-Off Lawyers

Most of what happened under Bush was "legal" in the sense that the Justice Department issued opinions—such as the so-called torture memos—that said as much. The new administration, if only to placate the military and intelligence agencies, will be loath to go after Bush officials who can claim legal cover, no matter how flawed the reasoning behind it.

But the lawyers who actually drafted the legal justifications for torture—particularly Dick Cheney's chief of staff David Addington, Alberto Gonzales, and Justice Department lawyers John Yoo and Jay Bybee—may be vulnerable. They could be indicted in federal court if they knowingly issued faulty legal opinions that led to criminal acts. However, that would be an extremely difficult case to make unless one of the defendants turned against the others. More plausible is that, like Bill Clinton and Scooter Libby, they could face disbarment, limiting their employment prospects.

The United Nations

A range of observers, from former UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan to überhawk Richard Perle, has acknowledged that the invasion of Iraq violated the UN Charter. In theory, the Security Council could sanction the United States or even authorize the use of force to expel our troops. But that's a nonstarter, not least because the Security Council signed off on the occupation of Iraq. Likewise, the United States could be tried in the UN's International Court of Justice and forced to pay reparations to Iraq. That's also doubtful, since the Security Council enforces Court rulings; the US could use its veto power as it did in 1986, when the icj found we had violated international law by supporting the Nicaraguan Contras. If the UN wanted to go after American officials for torture, it could set up a special tribunal like those for the former Yugoslavia and Rwanda. But such courts are the creation of—you guessed it—the Security Council.

The International Criminal Court

The Third Geneva Conventions, which the United States signed in 1949, as well as the UN Convention Against Torture, which Congress ratified in 1988, forbid torture. The International Criminal Court (not to be confused with the icj) was convened in the Netherlands in 2002 as a permanent venue to try crimes including violations of Geneva. But the United States hasn't ratified the icc treaty and has pressured 100 countries to agree never to extradite American citizens to the court, so Dick Cheney's unlikely to wind up in the dock at The Hague.

The Garzón Factor


Not that George W. Bush & Co. shouldn't be worried about international laws that they once sneered at.

There are hints that they already are: A 2002 State Department memo cautioned officials about the "risk of future criminal prosecution," and the Pentagon's 2005 National Defense Strategy warned of enemies who might "employ a strategy of the weak using international fora and judicial processes."

The biggest threat comes from European magistrates like Baltasar Garzón, the Spanish "superjudge" who nearly brought Augusto Pinochet to justice. In 1998, Garzón issued an arrest warrant for the former Chilean dictator for the deaths of Spanish citizens who'd been tortured by his regime. Days later, the unsuspecting 82-year-old was picked up while visiting England.

In many European countries, most notably Spain and Italy, judges can initiate prosecutions and—as in the case of Pinochet—may do so independently of the executive branch. Peter Weiss, vice president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, says such a court might be the most plausible venue for a case against Bush. "The prime minister of Spain was completely against going after Pinochet," he points out, "but a judge lower down was able to do it." The approach might prove especially effective in pursuing torture cases. As signatories to the Convention Against
Torture, most European nations are obligated, theoretically, to investigate violations by other signatories, such as the United States. Sure enough, human rights advocates have filed complaints in Germany, France, and Sweden against former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld for authorizing the torture of Iraqi and Saudi citizens in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib. The ccr claims a pending case convinced Rumsfeld to alter his travel plans to Germany.

"Believe me, people from the top of the administration will be consulting with lawyers for the rest of their lives," says Christopher Simpson, a professor at American University and an expert on international law.

"They will have to coordinate very, very closely with the State Department's specialists whenever they leave America. This is something they cannot take lightly." Larry Wilkerson, who served as former Secretary of State Colin Powell's chief of staff, has warned that former Bush officials like Gonzales, Yoo, and Addington "should never travel outside the US, except perhaps to Saudi Arabia and Israel."

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Jonathan Schwarz has freelanced for Saturday Night Live's Weekend Update.
 
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I fail to see whats obsessive about expecting your government officials to live within the law.

Particularly when breaking those laws causes pain and suffering and even death.
 

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I fail to see whats obsessive about expecting your government officials to live within the law.

Particularly when breaking those laws causes pain and suffering and even death.

Only if it’s Bush, that’s what’s obsessive about it. No matter what the subject you have to find a way to remind everyone how much you hate Bush. I’m sure by now we all get it. You’re like a dripping faucet.
 

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Not true. I hate all mass murderers.

Its just that most of them get caught and go to jail.

Its the ones getting away with it that really bother me.
 

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While I'm personally confident our country would rock along just fine even if BushCo officials were to skate on their many crimes against humanity, I for one would consider it a real sign of progess were they to at least be brought to trial and forced to face up to their offenses in front of the world at large.
 

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keeping Punter's mind occupied
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Bush will stand trial for crimes he never committed right after this happens

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a mind is a terrible thing to waste
 

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The International Criminal Court is run by criminals themselves. So Fuck 'em!
 

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punter, Andrew Jackson killed tens of thousands of American Indians who were under peace treaties with the USA...and he's on our 20 dollar bill.
 

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Yes he stole the Cherokees land and moved them to Oklahoma reservations. Probably the most despicable acts in US history.

If I were alive back then I would be bitching about it.
 

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While I'm personally confident our country would rock along just fine even if BushCo officials were to skate on their many crimes against humanity, I for one would consider it a real sign of progess were they to at least be brought to trial and forced to face up to their offenses in front of the world at large.

Care to articulate what crimes against humanity or offenses?
 

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Sending in US military machine on Mar 19, 2003 to bomb the bejeezus out of Baghdad and other population centers in Iraq - killing tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children.

HTH
 

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Is that it, well then just about every president we’ve had is guilty. You need to do better than that. Seriously BM that’s a stretch. :ohno:
 

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exactly clinton did that sorta stuff granted not on the scale of iraq

and some of it i think was to distract from getting his shlong worked

or the DEMS that got us started in nam....

they all the same in the end on the FP front...

heavy interventionists

why the obama backers think he will be any different is beyond me...albeit it might be a decrease from dubya....but you can't really get more interventionist than he was so not really a good comparison....

dubya 2000 to dubya post 9/11 was when tiz finally woke up to them all being lieing sacks of shit that will say whatever to get elected and in the end they the same

dubya ran on humble foreign policy no nation building...after bubba's meddling in world affairs....than went a complete 180

afghanistan etc...i could understand....but once iraq happened and all the other fascist shit to go along with it that was it...two party system a complete sham easy to see at that point....
 
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also if you look at american history

the republicans are historically the "anti-war" party (i put the quotes since that's the big catch phrase these days if you don't agree with our current foreign policy true conservatives aren't anti-war we just think it should not be used liberally)...and the dems were in power when many of the bigger wars began...WWII, korean war, vietnam war etc...

the neocons just flipped the script near term and made people think otherwise...
 

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The Republicans wanted to add strong military to their platform under Regan. It kinda has morphed to where it is.

Believe me I was not happy with Johnson and Nam but I doubt that Goldwater would of handled it differently.
 

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I am not against a strong military. After Vietnam it had digressed to a point that our choices in a confrontation were ,strong diplomatic Letter, and nuclear attack.

As Obama said "I am not against all wars only dumb wars" and Vietnam and Iraq are "dumb" wars.
 

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Is that it, well then just about every president we’ve had is guilty. You need to do better than that. Seriously BM that’s a stretch. :ohno:

Don't know of any other President who ordered mass killing of innocents in a sovereign nation who had not attacked the USA

Eisenhower, Clinton and JFK sent in defense troops for very dubious reasons, but none just unleashed the murderous might of the US military on civilian population centers versus a country that had not attacked either the US or any other nation at the time of Bush's orders.

Likely not much will come of my complaint, though I can certainly dream that Obama would have sack enough to bring charges.


I also dream of waking up with Madonna or Lauren Holly (or both)...so hey.....
 

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BM, does Nam ring a bell? Operation Rolling Thunder?
When you dream do you wake up messy? :missingte
 

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The "Gulf of Tonkin incident" was very weak. Just like "weapons of mass destruction".

Will these bastards ever learn?
 

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