Who was the better overall baseball player in your opinion?

[Enfuego]

Griffey Jr. or Barry Bonds?

 

[CHOPTALK]

Bonds with or without

 

[loomis41973]

Bonds with. KG without.

 

[Enfuego]

Bonds with or without

Huh. I just don't see it that way.

 

[Seymour]

Bonds is the best player that I've ever seen - can't even think of anyone that's even close

 

[loomis41973]

Bonds is the best player that I've ever seen - can't even think of anyone that's even close

Wasn't all that til he juiced.

 

[doubledeuce22]

Although many will remember it differently, 90s bonds was overall better player than 90s Griffey, but it was close. Given everything that's happened unfortunately people don't remember how good bonds was before peds.

 

[doubledeuce22]

Wasn't all that til he juiced.

lol sure.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Obviously on the sauce Bonds is like the best ever. Pre-sauce I'd still take Bonds. Griffey better power hitter but Bonds OBP was consistently .20-.50 higher than his looking at the #s. During that time period that wasn't as valued so Griffey was known as the best player until the roiding started but looking back I'd say Bonds was more valuable.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Bonds is the best player that I've ever seen - can't even think of anyone that's even close

Agree

 

[CHOPTALK]

Only thing Griff ever had on Bonds was a stronger throwing arm. Everything else bonds was better

 

[Enfuego]

Only thing Griff ever had on Bonds was a stronger throwing arm. Everything else bonds was better

Bonds played better D and ran better on the base paths?

 

[TomGshotput]

Wasn't all that til he juiced.

Before Bonds ever used any steroids he won three MVPs, was the best player in the league a fourth year (1991) when the voters were complete idiots, and twice he was one of the best clean players in the league while a drug user won the award (96 and 98)

Bonds unquestionably had a better career than Griffey. Bonds WAR through 1998: 99.6. Griffey WAR through his entire career: 83.6

And just because Bonds was on drugs from 1999 on doesn't mean those hits, walks, and home runs didn't happen and that they didn't help the Giants

 

[Greenbacks]

This is a tough call,it really is.

I`m taking Bond`s bullshit PED`s into consideration.

Junior was a heck of a player and football player to boot.

Every time I look at Bond`s 2001 stat of 73 HR`s :youmad:.......I say what a fucking cheater.......Nobody can hit 73 HR`s on natural talent alone....No way.

I`ll be the only 1 who votes for Junior.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Bonds played better D and ran better on the base paths?

Definally run better on the bases.

Better D Griff gets the slight nod when healthy partly due to the stronger throwing arm but not by much.

Both won gold gloves. Not much separation either way but bonds was the superior base runner And not even close.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Wasn't all that til he juiced.

Nah . He was only the best player in baseball.

Thats all

 

[PatsFan1283]

Before Bonds ever used any steroids he won three MVPs, was the best player in the league a fourth year (1991) when the voters were complete idiots, and twice he was one of the best clean players in the league while a drug user won the award (96 and 98)

Bonds unquestionably had a better career than Griffey. Bonds WAR through 1998: 99.6. Griffey WAR through his entire career: 83.6

And just because Bonds was on drugs from 1999 on doesn't mean those hits, walks, and home runs didn't happen and that they didn't help the Giants

Also Griffey should've got on drugs in '98, man he felloff with the Reds.

 

[Enfuego]

Definally run better on the bases.

Better D Griff gets the slight nod when healthy partly due to the stronger throwing arm but not by much.

Both won gold gloves. Not much separation either way but bonds was the superior base runner And not even close.

Bonds was better in the field than Griffey? Wow. Griffey is perhaps the finest defensive outfield in the history of the game. Take into consideration all the ground he covered and balls he ran down that Bonds would never have gotten to. Griffey played the far superior position. Tracked balls down because of his speed. No way.

Superior base runner? Ok Chop.

 

[doubledeuce22]

Bonds is the best player that I've ever seen - can't even think of anyone that's even close

Bonds played better D and ran better on the base paths?

Are you even generally aware of what bonds stolen base numbers looked like in the 90s?

 

[festeringZit]

Why shouldn't Barry Bonds' records be taken away, like Lance Armstrong's were? I mean Lance juiced in an era when everyone else was?

Give the home run record back to it's rightful owner: Hank Aaron.

Give Roger Maris back his record too.