Squirrelsear,
From what I have heard first hand from people who dealt with Al R he is a liar, a cheat, a blackmailer, and a thief. He used to own Unified Gaming (and probably still gets a piece of whatever books still use his software). When almost all the good books left UG due to their shady practices, Mr. R started PPATM. This way he gets your email address and personal info and can sell your name on lists to sportsbooks, touts, and other such services. His son was accused of murdering a girl (it was a cut and dry case), but Al managed to pay for the best lawyers to find a way to get his son off on some technicalities. Thus the reason he needed to resort to blackmail, hacking, and slow paying to pay his bills. He has been accused and indicted of one scam after another. How he coninues is beyond me. He is the scum of the earth and a black mark on the industry. I am surprised that any books use his service, even though it is only a few of them. I guarantee it is only a matter of time before he disappears with their money, too.
As a player, I would STAY AWAY FROM PRE-PAID ATM...unless you like receiving phone calls and email from everyone and their touting mother. As a book, good luck getting paid.
Froggy
[This message was edited by Angelle on May 26, 2003 at 04:40 PM.]
From what I have heard first hand from people who dealt with Al R he is a liar, a cheat, a blackmailer, and a thief. He used to own Unified Gaming (and probably still gets a piece of whatever books still use his software). When almost all the good books left UG due to their shady practices, Mr. R started PPATM. This way he gets your email address and personal info and can sell your name on lists to sportsbooks, touts, and other such services. His son was accused of murdering a girl (it was a cut and dry case), but Al managed to pay for the best lawyers to find a way to get his son off on some technicalities. Thus the reason he needed to resort to blackmail, hacking, and slow paying to pay his bills. He has been accused and indicted of one scam after another. How he coninues is beyond me. He is the scum of the earth and a black mark on the industry. I am surprised that any books use his service, even though it is only a few of them. I guarantee it is only a matter of time before he disappears with their money, too.
As a player, I would STAY AWAY FROM PRE-PAID ATM...unless you like receiving phone calls and email from everyone and their touting mother. As a book, good luck getting paid.
Froggy
[This message was edited by Angelle on May 26, 2003 at 04:40 PM.]
Al R started pre- paid atm. He loved the concept and treated it like his baby. LIke froggy said watch out unless you want to get phone calls from eeveryone... he also has a marketing company and he has to get his names from somewhere.
I could go on for hours.
I once met Al R in his office when we considered using his marketing services. This is when he told us about the idea of pre-paid ATM. It was before it was finished. I have not heard much of it since that conversation since I left the industry shortyl after.
Maybe some other posters that have used it can help you more than myself. I just would just worry about privacy issues.
[This message was edited by Angelle on May 26, 2003 at 04:40 PM.]
I could go on for hours.
I once met Al R in his office when we considered using his marketing services. This is when he told us about the idea of pre-paid ATM. It was before it was finished. I have not heard much of it since that conversation since I left the industry shortyl after.
Maybe some other posters that have used it can help you more than myself. I just would just worry about privacy issues.
[This message was edited by Angelle on May 26, 2003 at 04:40 PM.]
Oldfriend:
Typical answer from a person like you. Froggy's post is as straight as they come. Facts only.
Do you know Al R, oldfriend? Are YOU Al Ross? What will happen if PP-ATM goes down stiffing books and players? Will you apologize publicly like you did with the Prime Time Sports fiasco?
Why would somebody risk to lose hard earned cash, having other options? Equally convenient options.
Are you enticing Rx'ers to use this service? Based on what? Yopur experience with the service?
How long have you been using this service? Remember Bill/Lance from NAB.
[This message was edited by Angelle on May 26, 2003 at 04:41 PM.]
Typical answer from a person like you. Froggy's post is as straight as they come. Facts only.
Do you know Al R, oldfriend? Are YOU Al Ross? What will happen if PP-ATM goes down stiffing books and players? Will you apologize publicly like you did with the Prime Time Sports fiasco?
Why would somebody risk to lose hard earned cash, having other options? Equally convenient options.
Are you enticing Rx'ers to use this service? Based on what? Yopur experience with the service?
How long have you been using this service? Remember Bill/Lance from NAB.
[This message was edited by Angelle on May 26, 2003 at 04:41 PM.]
Walk you fool..NO PLAYER WOULD EVER GET THE SHAFT FROM PREPAIDATM IF THEY DO THIS!! CASHOUT AND THEN GO TO THE ATM TO PICK UP THE CASH..If prepaidatm goes dust..It will only cost sportsbooks..I think most gamblers would agree with me here man..$1.50 for $500 cash is worth the risk transfering the money to prepaidatm for 10 minutes to you pick up your cash...I did not say keep $20,000 in your prepaidatm account..I would think any transfer company is shacky..Explain what you bring here Walk???..most of your post are crap like this!!! I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE A LONG TALK WITH CARIB,CANBET AND THE MANY SPORTSBOOKS THAT TAKE PREPAIDATM..I will say it again and loud!! PREPAIDATM IS GREAT... AND YOUR A FOOL IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE CARD... IF YOU EVER CASHOUT WESTERN UNION.
Fat Frank,
I have always valued your posts and your knowledge. While I agree Securebuxx is not the way to go, please believe me when I say neither is PPATM. Good luck to you sir.
Oldfriend,
".If prepaidatm goes dust..It will only cost sportsbooks..."
Well, there it is...plain and simple. Only the sportsbooks will suffer and as long as you get yours fvck everybody else!!! So, all those other people who did not use PPATM get the shaft when Al Ross stiffs the book they are using. You truly are a pathetic excuse for a human being. You claim to be out for the players, yet you openly admit....as long as you get your, FVCK everyone else INCLUDING POST UP PLAYERS!!!
Walk,
Posters who want to doubt me can do so. I will say, I KNOW FIRSTHAND EVERYTHING THAT I STATED IS A FACT!!! Thank you for your support, sir.
Froggy
I have always valued your posts and your knowledge. While I agree Securebuxx is not the way to go, please believe me when I say neither is PPATM. Good luck to you sir.
Oldfriend,
".If prepaidatm goes dust..It will only cost sportsbooks..."
Well, there it is...plain and simple. Only the sportsbooks will suffer and as long as you get yours fvck everybody else!!! So, all those other people who did not use PPATM get the shaft when Al Ross stiffs the book they are using. You truly are a pathetic excuse for a human being. You claim to be out for the players, yet you openly admit....as long as you get your, FVCK everyone else INCLUDING POST UP PLAYERS!!!
Walk,
Posters who want to doubt me can do so. I will say, I KNOW FIRSTHAND EVERYTHING THAT I STATED IS A FACT!!! Thank you for your support, sir.
Froggy
Wow, oldfriend. So many words, so little substance. You can call me fool, it's not gonna make me cry; but it has been proved in the past that when a person is fond of shady tactics, he/she will apply the same work ethics in every enterprise.
The reason I mentioned Bill/Lance from NAB, it's because it was widely known how they sold a company to another solid shop, just to keep the customer data base. We all know what happened after that.
I imagine book owners are safe as long as they don't keep large balances with ANY transfer company. The only pocket a man can trust is his own.
Now when it comes to the players, we all know gamblers are better off KNOWING who they're making business with. Knowledge is power. What's the big deal about letting people know who the main man of this company is and what his past endeavours have been? How can that affect a fellow gambler.
Oldfriend, some of us would much rather take our own decisions based on research. As a gambler I'd much rather face the consequences of my OWN decisions.
These forums are here to help people. You want to help by alluring fellow gamblers into something you like. I'm trying top help disclosing as much info as possible. To each his own.
Now put your pants up, and get rid of those knee pads.
The reason I mentioned Bill/Lance from NAB, it's because it was widely known how they sold a company to another solid shop, just to keep the customer data base. We all know what happened after that.
I imagine book owners are safe as long as they don't keep large balances with ANY transfer company. The only pocket a man can trust is his own.
Now when it comes to the players, we all know gamblers are better off KNOWING who they're making business with. Knowledge is power. What's the big deal about letting people know who the main man of this company is and what his past endeavours have been? How can that affect a fellow gambler.
Oldfriend, some of us would much rather take our own decisions based on research. As a gambler I'd much rather face the consequences of my OWN decisions.
These forums are here to help people. You want to help by alluring fellow gamblers into something you like. I'm trying top help disclosing as much info as possible. To each his own.
Now put your pants up, and get rid of those knee pads.
Oldfriend:
You say you have facts. Which facts are these you claim you have?
Answer a question if you may:
PrePaid ATM is indeed a very convenient service. Big books have accounts with them. Why would you guys think that the owner's name should not be disclosed in this thread? Does it have anything to do with that name not being honorable?
Let posters decide if they wanna use the service or not. But have the balls to let them know who they're doing business with. Balls, oldfriend, balls.
I guess your attitude and your lame attacks towards Froggy are your best arguments. Read and learn, some of us have IQs higher than 75 here.
And notice I'm not attacking PrePaid ATM, all I'm saying is:
Let gamblers know who they are doing business with
You say you have facts. Which facts are these you claim you have?
Answer a question if you may:
PrePaid ATM is indeed a very convenient service. Big books have accounts with them. Why would you guys think that the owner's name should not be disclosed in this thread? Does it have anything to do with that name not being honorable?
Let posters decide if they wanna use the service or not. But have the balls to let them know who they're doing business with. Balls, oldfriend, balls.
I guess your attitude and your lame attacks towards Froggy are your best arguments. Read and learn, some of us have IQs higher than 75 here.
And notice I'm not attacking PrePaid ATM, all I'm saying is:
Let gamblers know who they are doing business with
