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When 'They' Come

By Laura Hollis

Published June 23, 2016

In the aftermath of the Orlando shootings, a man named Buckley Jeppson posted on Facebook about his experience visiting a Portland, Oregon, gun store to ask why people purchase AR-15 rifles. The salespeople offered several answers — target practice, hunting — none of which convinced Jeppson, who politely concluded that the sale of these guns was "about the money."

As he left, however, Jeppson was approached by another store patron. This man told Jeppson that the guns are for people "to protect themselves when 'they' come." Jeppson parried with him: Who is "they"? Zombies? Yeah, he was told — "and all the others who might try to steal your food after an earthquake or take your guns or imprison your family members."

In the rest of his post, Jeppson scoffed at the absurdity of such a belief, deriding it as "paranoid." Many commenters agreed.

This is a big difference between progressives and conservatives. Progressivism at its core is the belief that the correct government policies will bring utopia. Guns for self-defense aren't necessary; we just need laws banning guns and all will be peaceful and well.

This ignores both human nature and history.

In fact, never mind history; progressives ignore things happening now .

Take Venezuela. As with every other country that has gone down the road of command-and-control economics, Venezuela has collapsed. It has collapsed because human beings aren't God; things happened that the central planners didn't plan for. And now there's nothing: No food. No medicines. No electricity. No health care. No toilet paper. No wealth to redistribute. (Except for the wealth of the planners themselves, of course — deceased Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez' daughter Maria is "Venezuela's richest woman.")

What Venezuela does have is riots in the streets. Because when socialists succeed in making everyone dependent upon the government, and the government fails, then there are few other options.

But civil unrest is not unique to Venezuela. So it seems prudent to ask: Could something equally catastrophic happen in the United States?

What about the loss of electricity for long periods of time? An electromagnetic pulse caused by a solar storm or "dirty" nuclear bomb could shut down parts of the electrical grid, as could other types of terrorist attacks. Gas pumps require electricity to operate; without it, transportation would come to a standstill. Most communications would cease. Banks and ATMs couldn't function. Lacking refrigeration, perishables like food and medicine would not last.

This isn't science fiction. ISIS threatens such attacks regularly. And there have already been attempts. A planned sniper attack on a California power station three years ago took out 17 huge transformers serving Silicon Valley that took nearly a month to repair. The event received very little news coverage. But Jon Wellinghoff, former chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, called it "the most significant incident of domestic terrorism involving the (power) grid that has ever occurred."

Surely the government is taking steps to prevent such an incident, right?

Wrong. Experts who have written on the issue and testified before Congress warn that the government, mired in "bureaucratic dysfunction" and "ambiguity about who owns the problem," has done virtually nothing to protect our electrical systems.

Would a successful attack on our country's power supply be a crisis serious enough to cause widespread panic? Could there be mobs?

Well, let's see. Three weeks ago, we saw a mob of hundreds of people in San Jose, California, protesting Donald Trump's speech. They screamed obscenities at Trump supporters, threw eggs and bottles at them, chased them, knocked them down and kicked them in the ribs, ripped off their clothes, beat them with bags of rocks, punched them in the face, broke bones, and sprayed pepper spray in the faces of their children.

Does anyone seriously think people who can become incensed enough about a speech to turn violent, won't turn violent if the ATMs shut down? If the grocery stores go empty? If there's no way to get food, water, or gasoline?

And why wouldn't conservatives, Christians and/or Republicans be among the top targets for those mobs? When the Trump protesters turned violent in San Jose, mayor Sam Liccardo blamed Trump. Less than two weeks later, a lunatic who was a Muslim, a registered Democrat and allegedly a Hillary supporter and ISIS devotee, walked into a gay bar and murdered 49 people — and leftists all across the United States tried to blame the event on conservatives.

This is nothing more than the natural extension of left-wing propaganda tactics. For years, liberals and progressives have blamed conservatives for the disastrous consequences of liberal policies; they have denounced conservatives as racists, sexists and bigots. They accuse conservatives of being anti-immigrant — when what most want is legal immigration, prudent screening for threats and enforcement of current laws.

These accusations have been repeated for so long that large swaths of the American population believe them without question. San Jose demonstrates just how reckless and dangerous that is.

If something catastrophic happened in the United States, most of us would pull together as we always do when disaster strikes. But history, human nature, and the left's inflammatory rhetoric almost ensure that there will be mobs of people with violent intentions.

That is the "they" that the Portland gun shop patron was talking to Buckley Jeppson about.

If we never face any such crisis, we will all be relieved. But many of us intend to be prepared. So, no — we won't give up our weapons of self-defense, because have seen too much. We won't be swayed by deceitful politicians or irate ideologues. We won't be deprived of our constitutional rights.

And we won't be sitting ducks.

Laura Hirschfeld Hollis is on the faculty at the University of Notre Dame, where she teaches courses in business law and entrepreneurship. She has received numerous awards for her teaching, research, community service and contributions to entrepreneurship education.
 

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Warriors' Kerr makes passionate plea for gun control By The Sports Xchange / Saturday, June 25, 2016


Golden State Warriors head coach Steve Kerr made a passionate plea for stronger background checks on gun purchases in the United States.
Kerr appeared on San Jose Mercury News sports columnist Tim Kawakami's podcast on Friday to talk about the Warriors' 93-89 stunning loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers in Game 7, falling short of repeating as NBA champions.


Kerr then wanted to talk about a political issue, saying "our government is insane" for failing to pass gun control legislation.
Kerr's father, Malcolm, was assassinated in 1984 at the American University of Beirut.


"When 90 percent of our country wants background checks on gun purchases and we've got our Senate and our House not only voting it down but using the Bill of Rights as a reason for people to have rights to carry these automatic weapons, and we're getting people murdered every day at an alarming rate," Kerr told Kawakami.


"I just have to get this off my chest. Our government is insane. We are insane. And what bugs me is this adherence to the right to bear arms, you know. That was back in 1776. People didn't own automatic rifles. You had to have a musket in case the Redcoats were coming. The British were coming. And the beautiful thing about the Constitution is they left open amendments to change things because things change over time.


"I kind of think that our forefathers would not have OK'd automatic weapons to be sold to everybody if they existed back then. Let's have some checks. It's easier to get a gun than it is to get a driver's license. It's insane. And as somebody who's had a family member shot and killed, it devastates me every time I read about this stuff -- like what happened in Orlando -- and then it's even more devastating to see the government just cowing to the NRA and going to this totally outdated Bill Of Rights, right to bear arms. If you want to own a musket, fine, you know, but come on. The rest of the world thinks we're insane. We are insane.


"And until we vote these senators and congressmen and women out of office, the same thing's gonna happen. And it's infuriating and I had to get that off my chest."


The terror attack of a gay nightclub in Orlando, Fla., June 12 left 49 dead and 53 others wounded in the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.
The nightclub massacre occurred just a day before Game 5 of the NBA Finals.


Malcolm Kerr served as president of the American University of Beirut when he was gunned down by Islamic terrorists in the hallway outside his office on Jan. 18, 1984. Steve Kerr was a freshman at the University of Arizona when his father was murdered.


"You wonder if any of these senators and congressmen and women who are so opposed to even holding a vote on not only the right to buy an automatic weapon but just the background checks," Kerr said, "and the lists and all the stuff, how would they feel about this if their own child, their own mother, their own father, sister, brother, wife, husband was murdered. Mass murdered. Would that change your mind? I don't know but how many times do we have to go through this before our government actually does something about it?"
 

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"I just have to get this off my chest. Our government is insane. We are insane. And what bugs me is this adherence to the right to bear arms, you know. That was back in 1776. People didn't own automatic rifles. You had to have a musket in case the Redcoats were coming. The British were coming. And the beautiful thing about the Constitution is they left open amendments to change things because things change over time.


"I kind of think that our forefathers would not have OK'd automatic weapons to be sold to everybody if they existed back then. Let's have some checks. It's easier to get a gun than it is to get a driver's license. It's insane. And as somebody who's had a family member shot and killed, it devastates me every time I read about this stuff -- like what happened in Orlando -- and then it's even more devastating to see the government just cowing to the NRA and going to this totally outdated Bill Of Rights, right to bear arms. If you want to own a musket, fine, you know, but come on. The rest of the world thinks we're insane. We are insane.


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Some of the most idiotic and incoherent words I’ve ever read.

#1 We don’t sell automatic weapons to the general public in America
#2 The only crime committed with a modified automatic weapon in Kerr’s lifetime was the 1997 North Hollywood shootout. That was 19 years ago and again happened 1 time.
#3 We already have background checks on gun sales in America and in fact, the Orlando murderer passed multiple background checks. So it isn’t clear what in the hell he is even talking about.
#4 I love how he contradicts himself by saying they were armed to fight off the British while calling for people to be disarmed (of weapons they don’t even have).

Is there no capacity for embarrassment in America any longer? I mean, here is the functional equivalent of what he said:

“I can’t believe people care about rebounding in basketball. Who cares if the ball bounces to the other team, you get a chance to play defense. The focus on rebounding is insane. And, in 1891 there was no three point shot, yet teams still scored. Teams scored and won games. Why would you shoot a three-pointer? You can pass the ball and make layups. Three pointers are insane”


^ Imagine if the head of the NRA said that? Imagine the mockery….

These people saying the Bill of Rights is "outdated" need to leave America. Fuck them.
 

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Guys you have to take someone's personal story into account before you condemn their words. Let him be wrong. He has a right to speak. Steve Kerr is not your enemy. He's just someone with a different opinion, an opinion which was formed through a much bigger loss than a basketball game.
 

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Guys you have to take someone's personal story into account before you condemn their words. Let him be wrong. He has a right to speak. Steve Kerr is not your enemy. He's just someone with a different opinion, an opinion which was formed through a much bigger loss than a basketball game.
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Guys you have to take someone's personal story into account before you condemn their words. Let him be wrong. He has a right to speak. Steve Kerr is not your enemy. He's just someone with a different opinion, an opinion which was formed through a much bigger loss than a basketball game.
He is trying to strip me of my rights, and throw me in jail if I don't give them up peacefully. He is my enemy.
 

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"Nobody is trying to take your guns" is as believable as Ted Kennedy saying radical left immigration policies won't change America or Hussein's "if you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it" lie of the year.

The fact the radical left is now coming for your guns justifies you having them in the first place.
 

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"I just have to get this off my chest. Our government is insane. We are insane. And what bugs me is this adherence to the right to bear arms, you know. That was back in 1776. People didn't own automatic rifles. You had to have a musket in case the Redcoats were coming. The British were coming. And the beautiful thing about the Constitution is they left open amendments to change things because things change over time.


"I kind of think that our forefathers would not have OK'd automatic weapons to be sold to everybody if they existed back then. Let's have some checks. It's easier to get a gun than it is to get a driver's license. It's insane. And as somebody who's had a family member shot and killed, it devastates me every time I read about this stuff -- like what happened in Orlando -- and then it's even more devastating to see the government just cowing to the NRA and going to this totally outdated Bill Of Rights, right to bear arms. If you want to own a musket, fine, you know, but come on. The rest of the world thinks we're insane. We are insane.


Just complete and utter idiocy on so many levels. Who would have guessed Steve Kerr has the mental capacity of Finch?

Ok, Steve. If you think the founding fathers wanted to limit arms to muskets, let's look into the Federalist Papers (even though you don't have the first clue WTF those even are or why they're relevant) and get some clarification.

Good ole James Madison himself (one of the Constitution's authors...credible enough source?) expounded on the second amendment in Federalist No. 46:

Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments,to which the people are attached, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it.


To anyone with first-grade level comprehension skills, this couldn't be any clearer. The point of allowing citizens to privately own guns was not to appease them and allow them to get their kicks with muskets. It was and still is to act as the last line of defense against a prospectively tyrannical government. In fact, considering that weapons technology has advanced so much since the days of muskets, my guess would be James Madison and other founding fathers (if they were alive today) actually WOULD want citizens to have the same access to AR-15s and all kinds of other weaponry as our federal government...to keep the playing field honest and level.

There are several other Federalist Papers which expound the same point Madison made above. But let's just worry about banning assault rifles since no gun crime has ever been committed anywhere those are illegal. Certainly not in France, Norway, Finland, Germany...after all, the Stuttering Clusterfuck himself said this kind of violence doesn't happen in other advanced countries. And he's, like, never wrong...

But banning guns because .00000001% of the legal gun owning population may commit atrocities with them is akin to banning doctors because surgeons have made mistakes during operations in the past which resulted in patient fatalities...

The miserable cock suckers who want to ban guns want to do it for one reason and one reason only: to take down the biggest obstacle for complete government control over the populace. I hope I never live to see that day happen, and if anyone even tries to repo mine...let's just say I'm armed and will not check out without taking as many of them as I can with me.
 

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"Nobody is trying to take your guns" is as believable as Ted Kennedy saying radical left immigration policies won't change America or Hussein's "if you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it" lie of the year.

The fact the radical left is now coming for your guns justifies you having them in the first place.


These miserable vermin lie, Joe.

They use thinly veiled horseshit lies as deceptive tools to advance their agendas, and by the time most voters figure out they've been duped (if they ever do), it's far too late. Think of how most of Europe feels nowadays about open-door immigration policies in the name of "tolerance." Problem is, it's far too late to do anything about it. The cancer is already in the body, so to speak...and they're damn near Stage 4 if they aren't there already.
 

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I made the same comparison to muskets Steve Kerr did and Joe did his usual mocking. So I agree with Kerr and Joe agrees with Acebb. I like my side better.

Founding fathers could never envision what this country has become in terms of guns. Good for Kerr in speaking out....he is someone who has experience in what gun violence does to a family.....the weekend warriors here think by not letting terrorists get guns.....it will stop their trying to feel like a man Saturday afternoons shooting at the gun range.

Nobody is "taking away your guns".....get a grip nitwits.
 

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I made the same comparison to muskets Steve Kerr did and Joe did his usual mocking. So I agree with Kerr and Joe agrees with Acebb. I like my side better.

Founding fathers could never envision what this country has become in terms of guns. Good for Kerr in speaking out....he is someone who has experience in what gun violence does to a family.....the weekend warriors here think by not letting terrorists get guns.....it will stop their trying to feel like a man Saturday afternoons shooting at the gun range.

Nobody is "taking away your guns".....get a grip nitwits.

Totally preposterous.

Muskets! face)(*^%

Jefferson owned an Austrian repeater with a 20-round magazine built a year before the 2nd Amendment was ratified.

So much for that DailyKos talking point.

You've never read any of the founding documents and are totally ignorant of history, so how the hell would you know what they thought?

"Gun control" - nothing but lies and left wing propaganda.

I'll go even one step further...

If the founders were here, they would tell you that you have utterly failed as a citizen for not owning military-grade weapons.

This idea that the government has the right to forbid you to own a specific type of weapon is a relatively new and dangerous theory cooked up by the radical left and totally foreign to the thinking of the founders and traditions of America.

The fact there are judges now serving who would strike down the 2nd Amendment ("SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!") is beyond frightening but totally justifies every citizen owning these military-grade weapons to begin with.

Think Venezuelans wished they had a 2nd Amendment right now?
 
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I really could care less about banning the AR-15, nuts are going to kill, I would like the laws to be more strict on who can easily obtain them. For instance for me a
Guy like Tavarais Jackson should lose his right to own gun legally after what he did.

On a side note I think it's pure comedy that there are many necks out there who think they are going to protect themselves from the us armed forces with an AR 15, you be mowed down in a second. Troops would have gear on the 15 couldn't penetrate
 

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Totally preposterous.

Muskets! face)(*^%

Jefferson owned an Austrian repeater with a 20-round magazine built a year before the 2nd Amendment was ratified.

So much for that DailyKos talking point.

You've never read any of the founding documents and are totally ignorant of history, so how the hell would you know what they thought?

"Gun control" - nothing but lies and left wing propaganda.

I'll go even one step further...

If the founders were here, they would tell you that you have utterly failed as a citizen for not owning military-grade weapons.

This idea that the government has the right to forbid you to own a specific type of weapon is a relatively new and dangerous theory cooked up by the radical left and totally foreign to the thinking of the founders and traditions of America.

The fact there are judges now serving who would strike down the 2nd Amendment ("SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!") is beyond frightening but totally justifies every citizen owning these military-grade weapons to begin with.

Think Venezuelans wished they had a 2nd Amendment right now?

Why stop at killing machine guns? The govt shouldn't be able to stop people from buying bombs as well!

Youre out there joe.....the founding fathers would look at you with disgust.....like most people do now.
 

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I really could care less about banning the AR-15, nuts are going to kill, I would like the laws to be more strict on who can easily obtain them. For instance for me a
Guy like Tavarais Jackson should lose his right to own gun legally after what he did.

On a side note I think it's pure comedy that there are many necks out there who think they are going to protect themselves from the us armed forces with an AR 15, you be mowed down in a second. Troops would have gear on the 15 couldn't penetrate

Joe type people still have mind set of centuries ago. He actually thinks the govt is trying to take guns away from people.
 
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Why stop at killing machine guns? The govt shouldn't be able to stop people from buying bombs as well!

Youre out there joe.....the founding fathers would look at you with disgust.....like most people do now.

Why stop there I
Should be able to purchase an anti tank bazooka
 

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Why stop at killing machine guns? The govt shouldn't be able to stop people from buying bombs as well!

Youre out there joe.....the founding fathers would look at you with disgust.....like most people do now.

I can make a bomb with scrap parts that would kill more people than your most "scary looking" gun.

The economics of modern weaponry has made the argument of buying missiles, bombs etc., a ridiculous one. If George Soros or Warren Buffet want to invest in heavy grade military equipment rather corrupting the United States with their left wing idiocy fueled by their billions, I have no problem with it. I can promise you Soros has done more damage to people through global financial markets than he could ever do with military weapons. No right thinking private citizen wants those things.

Still, the founders clearly indicated they did not object to civilian ownership of every conceivable weapon and would have tarred and feathered a disgraceful commie food stamp bum like you.

MUSKETS ONLY!!!! :pointer:
 
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Why stop at killing machine guns? The govt shouldn't be able to stop people from buying bombs as well!

Youre out there joe.....the founding fathers would look at you with disgust.....like most people do now.

Joe type people still have mind set of centuries ago. He actually thinks the govt is trying to take guns away from people.

I would like to know which guns have been banned under the Obama admin?
 

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Today's gun-grabbing Nazis in the Democrat party are not only an absolute disgrace to their country, they are traitors pure and simple. Attacking the Bill of Rights and the founding principles behind them is as un-American as it gets.

As Acebb said, GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE COUNTRY!
 

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