When Did We Stop Calling Them "Terrorists" & Start Giving Them The Privilege Of Referring To Them As "ISIS"

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I don't get it.

Why give them the notoriety of referring to them as anything deserving of an actual organization, group, or entity?

Go back to calling them "The Terrorists" since that's what they are and always will be...
 

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Because our President and his cohorts are fucking idiots.

Uh, this is the reason why he won't call them "islamic" and he has called them terrorists many, many times. Agreeing with OP statement is essentially arguing against yourself again. Sometimes you're so bent on bashing obama, you forget to take a minute and realize what you're saying.
 

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I don't get it.

Why give them the notoriety of referring to them as anything deserving of an actual organization, group, or entity?

Go back to calling them "The Terrorists" since that's what they are and always will be...

There are hundreds of terrorist groups. While they may all be primitive, violent and hate the West, many of them do have far different short-term goals. A lot of the groups actually kill each other so to just lump all the terrorists under an umbrella wouldn't work since they don't have a unifying vision.

Their characteristics may be similar and to an American they're kinda all the same but as far as how that plays out in the region is a little different.
 

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I don't get it.

Why give them the notoriety of referring to them as anything deserving of an actual organization, group, or entity?

Go back to calling them "The Terrorists" since that's what they are and always will be...

They are always called terrorists. In fact in obamas latest press conference he said exactly that. The reason he doesn't use islamic terrorists is because he doesn't wanna legitmize them with a religion.but does call them terrorists.
 

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Think of it like this.

Cleveland is called the Cavs because there are 30 NBA teams. If you just called them the basketball players, might get a little confusing.

Terrorism in the Middle East is like a pro sport. They all like to play but it is different teams.
 

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The Muslim apologist refuses to call them what they are. Radical Islamic Terrorists.
 

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Pats pretty much got it right.

We group them separately for our benefit, not theirs.

All groups who kill or intend to kill innocent people are terrorists. Most groups carry out these actions out of religious hatred. Others terrorize to force a change in the political leadership of a country.

Some terrorists groups have nationalistic motives, to take and control a specific piece of geography.

Al Queda was the first group to have global intentions and kill worldwide.

Iran seeks to dominate the world as well, but unlike al Queda (Sunni Arabs) they are Shia.

ISIS' goal is short-term regional control. They likely seek world domination as well but do not have enough operatives to conduct global jihad.
 

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Sky News recently interviewed a defector who was a translator. Jihadi John recruited him to keep the hostages calm. The way he was told to calm the hostages was to tell them they would not be beheaded, but were just filming propaganda videos to warn their home countries to stay out of Syria and Iraq.

So literally on a daily basis the hostages were paraded in front of cameras, and a captor would make a propaganda warning video. And then the prisoner would be returned to wherever they kept him. That's until the day they got Jihadi John. So the prisoners never thought they'd be executed. And that's why in these videos they appear to be calm.
 

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Splits in Islamic State Emerge as Its Ranks Expand - Maria Abi-Habib
Islamic State is struggling to maintain unity and discipline amid corruption, ideological differences and defections. Interviews with four recent Islamic State defectors and civilians living in areas the group controls in Syria and Iraq portray tensions that come from the higher salaries and better lodgings given to foreigners recruited to fight alongside locals. Foreign recruits are earning monthly salaries of $800, while Syrian fighters are drawing $400, the defectors said.
"The Syrian fighters feel they've been treated unjustly in comparison to the foreign fighters," said a Syrian who cited this favoritism and the "un-Islamic" levels of brutality meted out to civilians as the reasons for his defection in December. (Wall Street Journal)


 

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The Arab nations call them Daesh.


Australian PM uses Daesh.

Frances uses Daesh.




An explanation

Australian PM says he'll now use Daesh instead of Isil for 'death cult' – but why?




Tony Abbott says the new name deprives the group of legitimacy, but why do its members hate it and what makes naming them so complicated?


Tony Abbott has announced that from now he will refer to the Islamic State group as “Daesh”, on the grounds that the terminology deprives the group of legitimacy among Muslims.

“Daesh hates being referred to by this term, and what they don’t like has an instinctive *appeal to me,’’ the Australian prime minister told the Herald Sun.

“I absolutely refuse to refer to it by the title that it claims for itself [Islamic State], because I think this is a perversion of religion and a travesty of governance.”

Western leaders and media have struggled for a consistent terminology to identify the group, which was initially known in English as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil), then the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (Isis) and subsequently often simply as Islamic State (IS). Al-Sham is often translated asSyria but can also refer specifically to Damascus or even the entire Levant region.

“Islamic State” is near enough a literal translation from the group’s name in Arabic, Al Dawla al-Islamyia, yet the original is more of a religious concept than a political one. Our translation is misleading because it implies a western conception of bureaucratic statehood.

The Arabic equivalent relates to the Qur’anic ideal of a universal Islamic community or umma, united by faith and spirituality, and bound in religious terms by sharia. No matter what term the media use, English cannot adequately capture that meaning.

In that light, Abbott’s insistence on “Daesh” seems like a canny workaround. He, like the French president, François Hollande, is essentially saying: you don’t get to name yourselves. It solves the problem both of legitimacy and of semantically flawed translations.

Daesh is also an acronym, but of the Arabic words that mean the same as Isis: Al Dawla al-Islamyia fil Iraq wa’al Sham.

As such, it loses all meaning in non-Arabic contexts. With Daesh – or Da’ish, with the emphasis on a long “e” – the Islamic association is nowhere to be found. Abbott manages to further neuter the term by mispronouncing it “Dash”. Perhaps this itself is a subtle power move.


It is not just the lack of the word “Islamic” in the new term that frustrates Isis. In adopting the term Abbott joins many Arabic speakers who also use Daesh.

In Arabic, the word lends itself to being snarled with aggression. As Simon Collis, the British ambassador to Iraq told the Guardian’s Ian Black: “Arabic speakers spit out the name Da’ish with different mixtures of contempt, ridicule and hostility. Da’ish is always negative.”

And if that wasn’t infuriating enough for the militants, Black reports that the acronym has already become an Arabic word in its own right, with a plural – daw’aish – meaning “bigots who impose their views on others”.



 

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I give ISIS about a year & a half before they lose all their present territory. What do they have 50,000 men & no air force
with every single modern army in the world against them, it's just a matter of time. ISIS sympathizers in the Western World
is the biggest threat, a few sleeper cells that can do damage is the big worry, not that flimsy force overseas.
 

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