'What's wrong with socialism?'

[brucefan]

How many of you have spoken to people over the last couple of weeks who have said, "" "so he believes in Socialism , whats the big deal? "

Amazing, but thats what this has come to!


What's wrong with socialism?'



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Sometimes those of us who have been around awhile take too much for granted.
I tend to assume, for instance, that most Americans understand socialism is an evil, immoral system of economics and government.
But, then, occasionally, I'll get a letter from a young American who has been taught throughout his or her life that only the government can spread wealth fairly or that market economics is inherently corrupt.
I got one of those this week. And I quickly realized why is on the verge of winning the presidency of the United States.
So, I guess it's time to get back to basics with an answer to the fundamental question: "What's wrong with socialism?"


I like to begin this economics lesson with a few questions:

• Do you believe in private property?
• How would you feel if someone took yours?
• Where has socialism ever succeeded?
• What does the government do well?
• What does the Bible have to say about economics?
• What did America's founders have to say about economics?
• Is socialism constitutional?

I won't have time or space to deal with these questions in depth in this essay. However, I find the answers are often enough to persuade well-meaning moral people that socialism is a disaster.
Most people believe in private property – especially their own.
Most people don't like having their things stolen. In fact, it's government's job to protect you from theft, not to be the thief.
Most people will be unable to point to a single successful socialist experiment – unless they choose some relatively new Western nation with a "mixed economy." Those include Canada, formerly Great Britain, France and other European countries. You could even include the U.S. in this category. It's important to recognize that mere survival as a nation over a period of time does not make for a successful experiment. Socialism, for instance, aims to eliminate or reduce poverty. In none of these nations has poverty been eliminated or reduced as a result of socialist experiments.

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Most people recognize that government is an inherently inefficient beast. What they might not recognize is that it is also poses the greatest threat to freedom. The more power it has, the less freedom individual citizens have. Government is a necessary evil – something that should be tolerated as a limited nuisance, not counted on for your basic needs.
Most people don't realize the Bible countenances private property. It holds it up as honorable – as long as it does not become a diversion from God, as long as it does not become man's god.
Most people apparently forget what our founders had to say about property. They forget that our Constitution expressly limits the power of the You could say constitutionally limited government is the opposite of socialism.
But, as Barack would say, these are "just words." And I am afraid mere words will not be enough to persuade anyone against mankind's innate desire to collectivize and rebel against God's order.
So, as I predicted in my most recent book, "None of the Above," it will likely take some strong medicine to cure America of its infectious flirtation with socialism. I believe that medicine, believe it or not, is named Barack Obama.
It's not that I wish this virus on Americans. In fact, I have done my personal best to awaken the country to his wiles and deceptions and immorality. But it has been to little avail. Americans have been duped. They have been conned through government education and mindless media and elitist manipulation to trade in their birthright of freedom for a mess of pottage.
But their education is coming. It is not coming from me. It is coming from the inevitably failed policies of Barack Obama and his party over the next two years. It's going to be a painful awakening. Just wait until you see how expensive "free" health care really is. Just wait until you see how little wealth you have after he spreads it around. Just wait until you see what it's like to have to ask a government bureaucrat for permission to do things you once took for granted.
That's what's wrong with socialism.
People have to see it for themselves.
They have to experience the misery and the control.
They have to see it with their own eyes.
Then, maybe then, we will have a chance to get America back on track.
Then, maybe then, we will have enough courage and desire to fight to regain what we have lost.
Then, maybe then, our experiences will protect us, for awhile, from the freedom-stealers.
Then, maybe then, we will have enough sense to educate our young people as to the inherent evils of socialism – so they won't be fooled, again.
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[quot7quot]

Whats wrong with socialism? Well, we're about to find out.

 

[Uno]

"7" we are already socialist to a degree.... the fed gov't forced banks to let them own stock. the fed gov't bailed out wall street. the fed gov't wants to buy some schmucks bad mortgage from the bank.

and it is all being done with our tax dollars and mccain voted for all of it.

the right has no leg to stand on with the subject matter of socialism.

 

[gtc08]

what's wrong with socialism? nothing.

look at crime rates, literacy rates, and quality of life in socialist countries. countries where the governments sole investment are its citizens are succeeding where as countries like the US where you can only make it by defeating your opponent are dwindling.

south africa, brazil, argentina, canada, switzerland are a few examples of thriving socialist countries.

and you guys better get over socialism coming to this US. otherwise get your ass over to iran and sit in your little tent. socialism is here to stay.

 

[koidog]

I don't think you have to "defeat" anyone to suceed in this Country. Not sure why you say that.

Secondly outside of typical anecdotal bullcrap, who says those countries you mention are "thriving".

Thirdly, I'm afraid we already our Socialist to a large degree and I'd say it's already clear that is the biggest problme the Country already faces. Perhaps an Obama disaster will piss off enough middle class Americans seeing their hard work "wealth" shared with deadbeats there will be a voting revolt as early as Midterms.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

"a socialist policy is abhorrent to the British ideas of freedom. Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the object worship of the state. It will prescribe for every one where they are to work, what they are to work at, where they may go and what they may say. Socialism is an attack on the right to breathe freely. No socialist system can be established without a political police. They would have to fall back on some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first instance"

 

[gtc08]

I don't think you have to "defeat" anyone to suceed in this Country. Not sure why you say that.

Secondly outside of typical anecdotal bullcrap, who says those countries you mention are "thriving".

Thirdly, I'm afraid we already our Socialist to a large degree and I'd say it's already clear that is the biggest problme the Country already faces. Perhaps an Obama disaster will piss off enough middle class Americans seeing their hard work "wealth" shared with deadbeats there will be a voting revolt as early as Midterms.

read up on those countries. this silly idea of competition that we used to have in the united states. having to compete for a job, etc. is what I refer to.

were a baby seed socialist country right now. high distrust of current government, strong opposition to bailout bill was proof america was ready for socialism since they want to end the elite, top class rule in america and take the power back to the middle class where it truly belongs. america realizes obama will do that, by taxing the upper class so damn hard they'll turn into the middle class. his redistributive policies will bring the poor back into the middle class, and then you'll have a single class society.

i didn't think it was possible in my lifetime, but i think were about to see the first true marxist nation.

 

[Georgiaboy]

what's wrong with socialism? nothing.

look at crime rates, literacy rates, and quality of life in socialist countries. countries where the governments sole investment are its citizens are succeeding where as countries like the US where you can only make it by defeating your opponent are dwindling.

south africa, brazil, argentina, canada, switzerland are a few examples of thriving socialist countries.

and you guys better get over socialism coming to this US. otherwise get your ass over to iran and sit in your little tent. socialism is here to stay.

Which is better the quality of life in Brazil or the United States?

 

[gtc08]

Which is better the quality of life in Brazil or the United States?

brazil. brazil is thriving right now. they are totally independent of oil and will be one of the places americans will come to in groves in a mccain administration. remarkable work with sugar cane and converting that to a form of energy. low crime rate. low illiteracy rate. more of a sense of being among friends and community. family is very important. they don't live there lives off credit cards like americans. very conservative people.

 

[levistep]

brazil. brazil is thriving right now.

Really?

 

[quot7quot]

"7" we are already socialist to a degree.... the fed gov't forced banks to let them own stock. the fed gov't bailed out wall street. the fed gov't wants to buy some schmucks bad mortgage from the bank.

and it is all being done with our tax dollars and mccain voted for all of it.

the right has no leg to stand on with the subject matter of socialism.

good point.

 

[nimue77]

countries like the US where you can only make it by defeating your opponent.

:hahahahah

I nominate this as by far the dumbest sentence fragment I have seen gtc post to date.

 

[Uno]

good point.

thanks.

 

[quot7quot]

thanks.

you're welcome.

when McCain came out and supported the bailout, I knew he was done. He was fading already but that was the dagger. If he'd have pounded his fist on the table and said "this bailout is bullshit", he would have silenced everyone who claims he is Bush-3rd term. He would've had millions of average Joe's come over to his side and he would've had a chance. But, he didnt. And, now he will go down in flames. And, Obama (with the help of Reid and Pelosi) will take us farther left than we have ever been before. It aint gonna be pretty.

 

[gtc08]

there's always iran 7

 

[quot7quot]

there's always iran 7

:think2:

 

[fletchisrhsm]

read up on those countries. this silly idea of competition that we used to have in the united states. having to compete for a job, etc. is what I refer to.

were a baby seed socialist country right now. high distrust of current government, strong opposition to bailout bill was proof america was ready for socialism since they want to end the elite, top class rule in america and take the power back to the middle class where it truly belongs. america realizes obama will do that, by taxing the upper class so damn hard they'll turn into the middle class. his redistributive policies will bring the poor back into the middle class, and then you'll have a single class society.

i didn't think it was possible in my lifetime, but i think were about to see the first true marxist nation.

If Americans are distrusting their government, how do you think it will be when they have to depend on them for EVERYTHING? Because in case you didn’t know, that is exactly what it is. Secondly, the bailout wasn't against socialism, it was EXACTLY socialism. The nationalization of private industry is the backbone of socialism. Also, if you tax everyone to death you won’t have people doing anything anymore, there will be no incentive. And also, you will never truly have a marxist nation because only on paper does it work. If you think your going to take greed out of the equation, i have something to sell you. GTC - you really need to understand what the fuck you’re talking about before you do so, because this makes you look pretty ignorant, when your one of the most vocal on here. [/FONT]

 

[Paddywack]

What's wrong with making it on your own, and not depending on the government? Only third parties such as Constitution Party and Libertarian Party truly support this mantra.

 

[Uno]

you're welcome.

when McCain came out and supported the bailout, I knew he was done. He was fading already but that was the dagger. If he'd have pounded his fist on the table and said "this bailout is bullshit", he would have silenced everyone who claims he is Bush-3rd term. He would've had millions of average Joe's come over to his side and he would've had a chance. But, he didnt. And, now he will go down in flames. And, Obama (with the help of Reid and Pelosi) will take us farther left than we have ever been before. It aint gonna be pretty.

i am not looking forward to going as far left as we are headed, but i am voting for obama. i think 4 years of going to the left will do the country some good but it will also do our pathetic two party system some good as well.

the right is not any good for itself or anyone else if it is not conservative, and right now it is not. but i think the lessons that will be taken from this election and what happens under obama will get us a true conservative come 2012.

 

[nimue77]

What's wrong with making it on your own, and not depending on the government? Only third parties such as Constitution Party and Libertarian Party truly support this mantra.

Too bad the Constitution Party still wants to impose their ideas of morality on you and tell you what you can and can't do with your own money.
Make your money, by all means, just don't spend it on things we don't approve of. And....the Libertarian Party....the party I have supported and voted for since I could vote....nominated fucking Bob Barr. Maybe Ron Paul should start the Liberty Party.