Why is Pinnacle almost everyone's top book?
I know it has 8 cent lines for baseball, but is that such a significant differece then say, a Bluegrass or Hollywood 10 cent line?
Lets take a look at the live lines for today:
Pinnacle: Marlins -127 / Pirates +119
Bluegrass: Marlins -130 / Pirates +120
Hollywood: Marlins -130 / Pirates +120
So if you are betting the Favorite here to win 100.00 dollars, then with Pinnacle you are risking 127 to win 100. With Bluegrass and Hollywood you are risking 130 to win 100. So you are saving 3 dollars on that Favorite bet to win 100.
If you bet the Dog here to win 100 then you are actually getting the better value with the other 2 books.
Lets take a look at another game today.
Pinnacle: NYY -132 / CWS +124
Bluegrass: NYY -133 / CWS +123
Hollywood: NYY -133 / CWS +123
So in this case if you bet the favorite to win 100 then with pinnacle you risk 132 to win 100 and with the other 2 books you risk 133 to win 100. So with pinnacle you are saving 1 dollar. And you actually have minimal more value with pinnacle on the underdog too.
Now you might say, well theres only a minimal difference here because I am dealing with a "small" bet of 100 dollars. So lets look at it with a larger bet.
If you bet the favorite to win 1000 dollars, lets use the Marlins -127 example, then with Pinnacle you would have to risk 1270 dollars to win 1000. If you use the 10 cent line at Hollywood or Bluegrass then you would have to risk 1300 to win 1000. Pinnacle would save you 30 dollars. Once again the dog has more value with Bluegrass and Hollywood in this case.
Now lets take the Yankees -132 with Pinnacle and -133 with Bluegrass and Hollywood. If you use Pinnacle then you would have to risk 1320 to win 1000 and you would have to risk 1330 to win 1000 with the other 2 books. Here pinnacle saves you a whopping 10 dollars.
Then you may say to me...well here you are dealing with one bet, so 30 dollars is not that big a deal. But we make many bets a night and the dollars we save on each bet adds up to big savings!!? Well to that I can only say that you are right. The 30 dollars (some cases 10 dollars) you save on each bet can add up to alot. But remember the 30 dollar example I used to show that pinnacle indeed does save you some money, was on the 1000 dollar wager. So when you take that into account the 30 dollars is really nothing for the gambler who is betting units of 1,000 dollars. 30 dollars is a mere 3% of that bet. So if you make, let's say, 5 favorite bets to win 1000 dollars on each then you are risking at least 5000 dollars, and with Pinnacle you would be saving appx 150 dollars (30 X 5 =150) (if its -127 @ pin and -130 at the 10 cent shop). So when you look at your average risk on a bet, the amount you save is really menial.
For the gambler who usually places the bet to win 100 then he will save in some cases 3 dollars per bet with pinnacle and if he makes 5 favorite bets to win 100 dollars on each, then he will be risking at least 500 dollars and he will save a mere 15 dollars with pinnacle 8 cent line.
Once again I will say that on dog bets most of the time you will get the better value with pinnacle but there are times, like the Marlins case, where another 10 cent shop can give you more value oin the dog. But nonetheless either way when you compare the vlaue of that dog between the shops it comes out to really the same ( a 1 dollar difference).
So, what we see from here is that, indeed, Pinnacle does at most times if not all offer you better value on the favorites with its 8 cent lines and it also gives you the best value on the dog most of the times. But as we concluded the value it offers is really a minimal one over some of the other 10 cent shops. But as all gamblers know, value is money!
So on that front, Pinnacle has the advantage over the other shops. Thats why it rates as a top book by most of the Rx folk.
But when I look into it, I still ask why do we have such a love affair with this book?? Yes it does offer us a minimal value on bets over the other 10 cent shops, but what else does this book have to offer?
Customer Service? Well they answer emails pretty efficiently, but they dont have a phone service for all customers. Most of us can not place bets unless we have access to a computer. Thats a big negative in my book. I know we all use a computer most of the day and night, but there are times when we cant access one. A phone service would be nice.
Props? Pinnacle offers close to none. Maybe props are for fools. But many of us foolish gamblers enjoy taking a bite of some props other books offer. Some of us, somehow, find more value in props then in the actual outcome of a game.
Parlays? Pinnacle doesnt offer a variety of parlay methods. (unless I am using the site wrong and need pinnacle for dummies)
Bonuses? I am not a fan of the bonus, but I can see alot of the people here are. They offer a bonus on an initial deposit, but they never offer a reload bonus. Many other books do.
Plus, many other books come a frequently visit the RX. I think the Rx is a very good tool for these books to take advantage of. By being a frequent poster here, it shows to me that they care bout the customer. And thats important.
Maybe I am just bitter because I cant win at Pinnacle, or maybe I am way off base here and have alot of wrong info, or maybe there is actually some truth to what i am saying.....hmmm
Either way, just thought I would get this off my chest and would love to hear some informed feedback from anyone that can offer.
Sorry for the extreme and perhaps mundane ramble-on.
Have a nice day.
-MC
[This message was edited by MadCapper on August 27, 2003 at 03:07 PM.]
I know it has 8 cent lines for baseball, but is that such a significant differece then say, a Bluegrass or Hollywood 10 cent line?
Lets take a look at the live lines for today:
Pinnacle: Marlins -127 / Pirates +119
Bluegrass: Marlins -130 / Pirates +120
Hollywood: Marlins -130 / Pirates +120
So if you are betting the Favorite here to win 100.00 dollars, then with Pinnacle you are risking 127 to win 100. With Bluegrass and Hollywood you are risking 130 to win 100. So you are saving 3 dollars on that Favorite bet to win 100.
If you bet the Dog here to win 100 then you are actually getting the better value with the other 2 books.
Lets take a look at another game today.
Pinnacle: NYY -132 / CWS +124
Bluegrass: NYY -133 / CWS +123
Hollywood: NYY -133 / CWS +123
So in this case if you bet the favorite to win 100 then with pinnacle you risk 132 to win 100 and with the other 2 books you risk 133 to win 100. So with pinnacle you are saving 1 dollar. And you actually have minimal more value with pinnacle on the underdog too.
Now you might say, well theres only a minimal difference here because I am dealing with a "small" bet of 100 dollars. So lets look at it with a larger bet.
If you bet the favorite to win 1000 dollars, lets use the Marlins -127 example, then with Pinnacle you would have to risk 1270 dollars to win 1000. If you use the 10 cent line at Hollywood or Bluegrass then you would have to risk 1300 to win 1000. Pinnacle would save you 30 dollars. Once again the dog has more value with Bluegrass and Hollywood in this case.
Now lets take the Yankees -132 with Pinnacle and -133 with Bluegrass and Hollywood. If you use Pinnacle then you would have to risk 1320 to win 1000 and you would have to risk 1330 to win 1000 with the other 2 books. Here pinnacle saves you a whopping 10 dollars.
Then you may say to me...well here you are dealing with one bet, so 30 dollars is not that big a deal. But we make many bets a night and the dollars we save on each bet adds up to big savings!!? Well to that I can only say that you are right. The 30 dollars (some cases 10 dollars) you save on each bet can add up to alot. But remember the 30 dollar example I used to show that pinnacle indeed does save you some money, was on the 1000 dollar wager. So when you take that into account the 30 dollars is really nothing for the gambler who is betting units of 1,000 dollars. 30 dollars is a mere 3% of that bet. So if you make, let's say, 5 favorite bets to win 1000 dollars on each then you are risking at least 5000 dollars, and with Pinnacle you would be saving appx 150 dollars (30 X 5 =150) (if its -127 @ pin and -130 at the 10 cent shop). So when you look at your average risk on a bet, the amount you save is really menial.
For the gambler who usually places the bet to win 100 then he will save in some cases 3 dollars per bet with pinnacle and if he makes 5 favorite bets to win 100 dollars on each, then he will be risking at least 500 dollars and he will save a mere 15 dollars with pinnacle 8 cent line.
Once again I will say that on dog bets most of the time you will get the better value with pinnacle but there are times, like the Marlins case, where another 10 cent shop can give you more value oin the dog. But nonetheless either way when you compare the vlaue of that dog between the shops it comes out to really the same ( a 1 dollar difference).
So, what we see from here is that, indeed, Pinnacle does at most times if not all offer you better value on the favorites with its 8 cent lines and it also gives you the best value on the dog most of the times. But as we concluded the value it offers is really a minimal one over some of the other 10 cent shops. But as all gamblers know, value is money!
So on that front, Pinnacle has the advantage over the other shops. Thats why it rates as a top book by most of the Rx folk.
But when I look into it, I still ask why do we have such a love affair with this book?? Yes it does offer us a minimal value on bets over the other 10 cent shops, but what else does this book have to offer?
Customer Service? Well they answer emails pretty efficiently, but they dont have a phone service for all customers. Most of us can not place bets unless we have access to a computer. Thats a big negative in my book. I know we all use a computer most of the day and night, but there are times when we cant access one. A phone service would be nice.
Props? Pinnacle offers close to none. Maybe props are for fools. But many of us foolish gamblers enjoy taking a bite of some props other books offer. Some of us, somehow, find more value in props then in the actual outcome of a game.
Parlays? Pinnacle doesnt offer a variety of parlay methods. (unless I am using the site wrong and need pinnacle for dummies)
Bonuses? I am not a fan of the bonus, but I can see alot of the people here are. They offer a bonus on an initial deposit, but they never offer a reload bonus. Many other books do.
Plus, many other books come a frequently visit the RX. I think the Rx is a very good tool for these books to take advantage of. By being a frequent poster here, it shows to me that they care bout the customer. And thats important.
Maybe I am just bitter because I cant win at Pinnacle, or maybe I am way off base here and have alot of wrong info, or maybe there is actually some truth to what i am saying.....hmmm
Either way, just thought I would get this off my chest and would love to hear some informed feedback from anyone that can offer.
Sorry for the extreme and perhaps mundane ramble-on.
Have a nice day.
-MC
[This message was edited by MadCapper on August 27, 2003 at 03:07 PM.]
