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I believe it's 95% if not higher, maybe not at the rx, but in general. I remember years ago( early 90s) asking a book I got to know pretty well how many players won last year? 1 was the answer and long term none. Wasn't a big book but wasn't small either. By the way I was not the "1" either.:monsters-
 

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Fishhead said:
10-15 years ago, 97% would probably be the consensus figure for losers.

Would say with the invent of the internet, that number has decreased............for many reasons.

-F-

How about posting that in the thread that discusses whether locals make the same profit margins they did 10-15 years ago. I was continuously bashed in that thread by so called 'experts'.
 

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The General said:
What % would you set it at Rainbow? Taking into consideration all gambling. Lottery, horses, props, parlays, riverboats, casinos, etc...

Thanks

I misread the topic, I thought we were talking about Sportsbetting...
 

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Chasing, poor money mgmt, betting for action only, and betting on sports which you keep losing at are the downfalls for most of us, but it is what it is. The best of us do it. I know many methods of gambling, but I tend to fall off the wagon of success just like a vast majority. It takes a very disciplined person to be a longterm success. Discipline is not a popular thing for people to hang onto.
 

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"10-15 years ago, 97% would probably be the consensus figure for losers.

Would say with the invent of the internet, that number has decreased............for many reasons.

-F-"

I was thinking the same thing Fish, but the internet has also given access to people who would never have used a local bookie, but the "ultimate Square".
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If we count Lottery, Bingo and Casino's ....I know I am 0-for those 3 forms of gambling...that's why i don't play them...probably down a dime lifetime on those 3 forms of gambling....but I knew going in I would lose at that...now that to me is recreational...

You go to Delaware and throw a 100 bucks in the slots , eat, come home and hope to get lucky with your date...that's not gambling, that's a night out!
 

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Rainbow said:
I misread the topic, I thought we were talking about Sportsbetting...

That's cool Sir. What would you set the % at in sportsbetting only. Not just forum players, but all bettors in the USA?
 

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I lost a year of profits in TEN DAYS!

It took two full years of playing it the right way to get it back....
 

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The General said:
That's cool Sir. What would you set the % at in sportsbetting only. Not just forum players, but all bettors in the USA?

I would say 10% win and 90% lose. I talk to alot of people they will never tell me the whole truth, which I can understand, but they are winning but its not peaches and creame like it once was, I was just talking to a friend a few days ago and he was telling me how the betting industry has changed so much, baseball 90% use to bet him on the favorites, now he has more people betting him on the dogs. Baseball is real tough to win booking it. I think people are alot smarter these days, not just with computers, they get to watch alot more games than they could watch years ago, I mean years ago no ESPN, COMPUTERS, and only a handful of games to watch, the player was really at a big disadvantage back in those days, I am not lying it was pure stealing booking in those days...
 

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I bet the recreational players that post at this site have a MUCH better chance at profit....as fish said..thats 100% true
 

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using contest grading for example, you usually see about 30-40% of the contest players on the plus side. that leaves 60-70% on the losing side.....
 

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Fishhead said:
10-15 years ago, 97% would probably be the consensus figure for losers.

Would say with the invent of the internet, that number has decreased............for many reasons.

Sorry Fish, I would have to disagree. The one biggest thing Bookmakers have strived to do over the years is offer endless betting to the public for obvious reasons. The internet has brought this to fruition, with betting around the clock on every conceivable sport. People on here can beat their chests and say what they want, but I will admit to betting more than I should, something I never did before the internet, not even on the phone.
 

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Keep in mind that posters who provide plays either in the Sports Forums or in contests most likely have other plays not provided. Even though this is a gambling oriented site and provides information and even though we are now in the internet age, the other side of the counter has access to all the same information. Finding sports bettors who consistently show a winning percentage and more importantly, show a long term profit, are very scarce and given the size of the membership of the RX, I would suspect that taken in its entirety, the percentage of those that win long term is fairly reflective of all who wager on sports in general. And that number still remains below 5%.
 

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oldmanTED said:
Keep in mind that posters who provide plays either in the Sports Forums or in contests most likely have other plays not provided. Even though this is a gambling oriented site and provides information and even though we are now in the internet age, the other side of the counter has access to all the same information. Finding sports bettors who consistently show a winning percentage and more importantly, show a long term profit, are very scarce and given the size of the membership of the RX, I would suspect that taken in its entirety, the percentage of those that win long term is fairly reflective of all who wager on sports in general. And that number still remains below 5%.

very true.
 

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This post got off topic.

What makes a book think that you are not a recreational player? And decide to boot you or take your bonus.

That you get on a hot streak?.

Play at the limits?

Always beat them to a line? Play more lots of dogs and unders? Have accounts at many books? Log on alot or for a long period of time What?
 

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the number one thing would be beating a book to the line moves.



one thing people should remember is that sportsbooks dont "owe anyone a living".

the shops that boot people for being too sharp almost ALWAYS have it in their rules.....
 

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The size of your wager and the amount that you take will cause some books to reduce your limits and if you continue to win, will boot you out and some will tell you that your action is one of a professional and they don't want your action and close your account. Why you beat them matters to some, while others are only concerned that you are consistently beating them and ask you to leave.
 

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