Those four contractors (like the rest of them) were hotheaded cowboys who most likely instigated the angry mob that lynched them. I have zero sympathy for those torturing bastards because they don't have to be there while the Iraqi people (who have been degraded by the occupying Americans) do. They had it coming and my only regret is that it isn't happening more often. At least now the world has seen the Big Lie that America has been living for the last 50 years, murdering and torturing the locals in countries all over the world while claiming to be the messengers of democracy. Long live the heroic Iraqi resistance against the scumbag American occupying terrorists!
A lot of these 'independent contractors' are privatised ex-military dudes.
About 15,000 of them by recent estimates.
That's an entire division of soldiers, in jeans and t-shirts, just running around the place, as if it wasn't enuf of a mess over there.
Who controls them? No-one knows, officially anyway, they're 'independent contractors'.
They used to be called mercenaries btw, but thats a 'bad' word in the western media.
So now we have 'independent contractors' and 'security consultants' running around in-country.
If the Iraqi locals paid for Chechen 'security consultants' to protect them I suppose they would be called 'terrorist mercenaries'.
Oh, what fun we can have with words...
[This message was edited by eek on May 03, 2004 at 07:11 PM.]
About 15,000 of them by recent estimates.
That's an entire division of soldiers, in jeans and t-shirts, just running around the place, as if it wasn't enuf of a mess over there.
Who controls them? No-one knows, officially anyway, they're 'independent contractors'.
They used to be called mercenaries btw, but thats a 'bad' word in the western media.
So now we have 'independent contractors' and 'security consultants' running around in-country.
If the Iraqi locals paid for Chechen 'security consultants' to protect them I suppose they would be called 'terrorist mercenaries'.
Oh, what fun we can have with words...
[This message was edited by eek on May 03, 2004 at 07:11 PM.]
Lander,
Did you read about the Italian KIA's (do not know his name)circumstances?
He went there to save up money for he and his fiance's first home and was subsequently shot in the head.
Thomas Hamill, recently escaped hostage, went to Iraq to earn money to pay off farm debts. Fortunately, he escaped.
Neither one could hardly be qualified as mercenary and I find it hard to judge a man saving to buy his first home (not second or third, mind you, but first) nor a man trying to save a family farm as greedy.
C'mon Lander, for somebody who professes to value the life of the unborn, how about a little more consideration for those already born looking to take care of their families?
Do I believe in the Bush Adminstration's version of why we are in Iraq? Hell, no. Do I believe these people deserved what they got? Hell, no.
I hope that someday you will reconsider.
Mud
Did you read about the Italian KIA's (do not know his name)circumstances?
He went there to save up money for he and his fiance's first home and was subsequently shot in the head.
Thomas Hamill, recently escaped hostage, went to Iraq to earn money to pay off farm debts. Fortunately, he escaped.
Neither one could hardly be qualified as mercenary and I find it hard to judge a man saving to buy his first home (not second or third, mind you, but first) nor a man trying to save a family farm as greedy.
C'mon Lander, for somebody who professes to value the life of the unborn, how about a little more consideration for those already born looking to take care of their families?
Do I believe in the Bush Adminstration's version of why we are in Iraq? Hell, no. Do I believe these people deserved what they got? Hell, no.
I hope that someday you will reconsider.
Mud
Originally posted by Mudbone:
Lander,
Did you read about the Italian KIA's (do not know his name)circumstances?
He went there to save up money for he and his fiance's first home and was subsequently shot in the head.
Thomas Hamill, recently escaped hostage, went to Iraq to earn money to pay off farm debts. Fortunately, he escaped.
I read the later, but not the prior. I paid off 50K in debts a few years back by working a second job doing moonlight freelance. Hell, I still do it and have no debts.
My point is that there are most certainly other ways to make an honest living other than endangering yourself in Iraq and potentially leaving your family without a husband or father.
Excuse my coldness, but these guys took a risk out of greed and it backfired. I have ZERO sympathy for people that dig their own grave.
Neither one could hardly be qualified as mercenary and I find it hard to judge a man saving to buy his first home (not second or third, mind you, but first) nor a man trying to save a family farm as greedy.
Granted, I don't mingle with the elite, but every man I know worked for his own home without going into a warzone for extra cash.
C'mon Lander, for somebody who professes to value the life of the unborn, how about a little more consideration for those already born looking to take care of their families?
Are you seriously suggesting that the murder of an unborn human is in some manner akin to a grown man making his own choice to jeopardizing his life for money? Last time I checked the lefties weren't to concerned with the babies' opinions on their own murder.
Mud, by all means - please elaborate on your evasive comparision because this one strikes me as equally disturbing and assinine.
Do I believe in the Bush Adminstration's version of why we are in Iraq? Hell, no. Do I believe these people deserved what they got? Hell, no.
Of course they didn't deserve to die, but it is what it is. If you voluntarily work in a war zone there's a chance you might be captured (or worse). Common sense.
I hope that someday you will reconsider.
I didn't make a decision - I merely stated my opinion.
Lander,
Did you read about the Italian KIA's (do not know his name)circumstances?
He went there to save up money for he and his fiance's first home and was subsequently shot in the head.
Thomas Hamill, recently escaped hostage, went to Iraq to earn money to pay off farm debts. Fortunately, he escaped.
I read the later, but not the prior. I paid off 50K in debts a few years back by working a second job doing moonlight freelance. Hell, I still do it and have no debts.
My point is that there are most certainly other ways to make an honest living other than endangering yourself in Iraq and potentially leaving your family without a husband or father.
Excuse my coldness, but these guys took a risk out of greed and it backfired. I have ZERO sympathy for people that dig their own grave.
Neither one could hardly be qualified as mercenary and I find it hard to judge a man saving to buy his first home (not second or third, mind you, but first) nor a man trying to save a family farm as greedy.
Granted, I don't mingle with the elite, but every man I know worked for his own home without going into a warzone for extra cash.
C'mon Lander, for somebody who professes to value the life of the unborn, how about a little more consideration for those already born looking to take care of their families?
Are you seriously suggesting that the murder of an unborn human is in some manner akin to a grown man making his own choice to jeopardizing his life for money? Last time I checked the lefties weren't to concerned with the babies' opinions on their own murder.
Mud, by all means - please elaborate on your evasive comparision because this one strikes me as equally disturbing and assinine.
Do I believe in the Bush Adminstration's version of why we are in Iraq? Hell, no. Do I believe these people deserved what they got? Hell, no.
Of course they didn't deserve to die, but it is what it is. If you voluntarily work in a war zone there's a chance you might be captured (or worse). Common sense.
I hope that someday you will reconsider.
I didn't make a decision - I merely stated my opinion.
MBONE, when bad things happen to soldiers, why is it presumed 'undeserved', while if they were instead to survive their tour and return home to cheers, it would be presumed 'deserved'?
If they had been flying an aircraft and shot out of the sky, would that form of death be 'deserved'?
You're a smart enough guy to understand that in a spiritual sense, nothing that happens to anyone in life is undeserved. Everything happens for a series of logical reasons.
And in this case, dudes died in an ignominious way in part due to their own decision to participate. It was indeed 'deserved', which BTW is not meant to minimize the tragedy.
If they had been flying an aircraft and shot out of the sky, would that form of death be 'deserved'?
You're a smart enough guy to understand that in a spiritual sense, nothing that happens to anyone in life is undeserved. Everything happens for a series of logical reasons.
And in this case, dudes died in an ignominious way in part due to their own decision to participate. It was indeed 'deserved', which BTW is not meant to minimize the tragedy.
For the last time .....why do people here converse with posers like Banned, Lander, Fresh and some of the other dilhoes on here.
They are not American citizens and are not qualified to speak on subjects related to American politics and military conflicts.
They just want to incite people with comments about how American scumbag occupying terrorist do this and do that.
Seems like some of these so called guys that claim they were in Nam and who knew buddies that were tortured and held would think this current stuff was mild. I don't like to think that our soldiers are taking advantage of them but know that a war zone is hell. They have to hold them in makeshift cells, supply lines are being ambushed, people are dying. The stress our soldiers go through, trained to be killers and having to deal with these dirtbags that want to rise up and kill them at any moment.
Yes, we should not give them steak, cable tv, and cigarettes but I would expect to be treated like crap if I were captured by the Iraq's. I would be alarmed if we hung, stabbed, or shot them like they would. Our soldiers went too far and should be punished in some way but not ending their careers. I am for trying to make prisoners break in making it tough or rewards for them, just like it should be tough for an American soldier. Trying to argue this sh*t is impossible, the Iraq's have raped, tortured, and killed our soldiers and their own people.
They are not American citizens and are not qualified to speak on subjects related to American politics and military conflicts.
They just want to incite people with comments about how American scumbag occupying terrorist do this and do that.
Seems like some of these so called guys that claim they were in Nam and who knew buddies that were tortured and held would think this current stuff was mild. I don't like to think that our soldiers are taking advantage of them but know that a war zone is hell. They have to hold them in makeshift cells, supply lines are being ambushed, people are dying. The stress our soldiers go through, trained to be killers and having to deal with these dirtbags that want to rise up and kill them at any moment.
Yes, we should not give them steak, cable tv, and cigarettes but I would expect to be treated like crap if I were captured by the Iraq's. I would be alarmed if we hung, stabbed, or shot them like they would. Our soldiers went too far and should be punished in some way but not ending their careers. I am for trying to make prisoners break in making it tough or rewards for them, just like it should be tough for an American soldier. Trying to argue this sh*t is impossible, the Iraq's have raped, tortured, and killed our soldiers and their own people.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The stress our soldiers go through, trained to be killers and having to deal with these dirtbags that want to rise up and kill them at any moment.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This is hilarious. Do you know any National Reservists? The last thing they can be defined as are trained killers. My God man, 1 weekend a month, 2 weeks a year… Killers? That is just fvcking rich.
This is hilarious. Do you know any National Reservists? The last thing they can be defined as are trained killers. My God man, 1 weekend a month, 2 weeks a year… Killers? That is just fvcking rich.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>For the last time .....why do people here converse with posers like Banned, Lander, Fresh and some of the other dilhoes on here.
They are not American citizens and are not qualified to speak on subjects related to American politics and military conflicts <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
8th generation American, ancestors moved to Long Island, NY in 1632.
Sorry if you don't like my opinions, but I have every right to express them
They are not American citizens and are not qualified to speak on subjects related to American politics and military conflicts <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
8th generation American, ancestors moved to Long Island, NY in 1632.
Sorry if you don't like my opinions, but I have every right to express them
