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What do you do before you decide you lay money down on a pick? What is it that's the deciding factor? What needs to line up for you in a game matchup for you to say you like one side or another? What you do during that process ultimately decides whether you are a winner or loser. I know that I have changed my outlook on what needs to be done. If you are looking at game and player stats then you have already lost IMO. There's not a stat you can uncover that won't be factored into the line, plus the line makers have access to stats and intimate team info that the avg. bettor will never know. If you think Vegas/Costa Rica Sports Books are good at what they do then there can be no advantage gained by analyzing stats. Let's face it they have software that can analyze the stats of a game way more in depth than you ever could. Knowing that a team with a bad run D is playing a good running team is not knowing anything. Let's face it, how many people can really open the newspaper, or in this day and age go to the laptop, and pick winners out of their ass 52 weeks every year? The access just isn't there fpr the avg. bettor to be that chop out winner winning fractions of units each day across all sports. Sports books are erected on the backs of the nickel and dime bettor who has nothing more than stats out of a newspaper or laptop to come to battle with.

I've always been a numbers guy, was always good in math in school. I've been studying the ATS records of both teams and bettors for just about 11 months now. I have realized a very important fact. Skewed records return to the mean. For sports with spreads, in theory, every bettor and every team should be close to 50% once enough trials have been run. I can tell you I have been collecting public opinions and entering them into software. Every bettor that has entered more than 700 opinions is somewhere between 52% and 49%. There's about a dozen people that have done so and all of them are that close to 50%. Someone who starts out at 65% over the first few weeks of NFL will have a correction period where they win only 35% of the time. I've watched it happen time and time again happen to people. And vice-versa, if someone starts out cold as ice they will have a hot streak at some point. Same goes for teams.

For Instance, using a Trend Query research tool I have developed I was able to find out that the San Diego Chargers are 7 - 2 - 1 ATS (77.78%) as a Road/Dog between 3 and 6.5 the last three seasons. I predict that a correction will start this season. I expect SD to be a Road dog between 3 and 6.5 at least 4 out of the 8 road games, maybe more. We'll see. I found lots more really skewed stats with the teams in the NFL as well. I'll list them on the boards as the season nears. I bet if you just wagered upon these corrections and left your personal opinion out of it that you would win money for the season. I really feel most bettors are standing in the way of their own success. They overrate their abilities or just go with their gut. Our opinions are useful if we had a place where we could enter them and have them go into the pot with all the other opinions that were offered and then use search and filter tools that allowed you to pull certain opinions from the community based on the ability of the handicappers, or based on who is currently hot or cold, or based upon what kind of streak individual bettors are on. It's like one thread of silk, by itself it is weak and can be torn, but put it with hundreds or thousand of other silk strands and it is impenetrable.

Right now I am near completion of software that will look for these skews and time them as well as far as when is the highest probability for them to break, also each community member will have access to tools that will allow them to sift through the opinions in every game's betting pool using a various combination of filters, and access to the Trend Query tool so you can look for the skews yourself. Upward and Downward trend data will be calculated and graphed for every user and every team. Use the data to predict corrections, look for when corrections of teams line up with the corrections of bettors. There will be many more tools as well. Nothing costs money either. The only thing you have to pay is with your opinion. Entering Your opinion gets you past the firewall and gives you access to many, many unique tools you have never seen or used before. If you are a $25 or $50 bettor and you are tired of doing what you are doing, I have an unbelievable alternative for you that will cost you nothing and certainly do much better than you will ever do on your own.
 

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I'll be interested to see your software TT.
You are right that streaks tend to end and things come back and balance out....for example, if I am at a craps table and there are hardly any 7's coming up for 2 hours, 7's are gonna hit hard at some point coming up at that table..the problem is timing!
 

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If you're at a craps table for two hours and don't see a seven, and you don't call me, well, I just may have to make a video to tell you how I feel. The first six figure bankroll I blew was on sports betting, the second was on craps. That game had me by the balls for like 5 years straight, totally ruined a poker career that I had grinded through and built up to the point where I had enough money to never go broke while playing a decent stakes game where you can win or lose a few grand each play. I still play time to time but not like I used to. I used to start with 50 on the line, a $150 on the 6 and eight, $75 on the five and nine and $50 on the four and ten. A quarter on all the hard ways and full odds. My mouth is watering thinking about it.
 

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I was sifting through the trend query database look for some correction possibilities in NFL this year, I only went through ten teams so far but this is what I got:

FOLLOW

NE as a R/F 3 - 6.5 points (2 - 6 ATS) last three seasons

HOU as a H/D between 0 - 2.5 (0 - 5 ATS) last three seasons

FADE

SD as a R/D 3 - 6.5 (7 - 2 -1 ATS) last three seasons

CIN as a H/F 3 - 6.5 (7 - 2 - 1 ATS) last three seasons

IND H or A/ F or D at 3 - 6.5 points (13 - 5 - 1) last three seasons.

Fade any gane IND is in this year where the line is 3 - 6.5 points.
 

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I was sifting through the trend query database look for some correction possibilities in NFL this year, I only went through ten teams so far but this is what I got:

FOLLOW

NE as a R/F 3 - 6.5 points (2 - 6 ATS) last three seasons

HOU as a H/D between 0 - 2.5 (0 - 5 ATS) last three seasons

FADE

SD as a R/D 3 - 6.5 (7 - 2 -1 ATS) last three seasons

CIN as a H/F 3 - 6.5 (7 - 2 - 1 ATS) last three seasons

IND H or A/ F or D at 3 - 6.5 points (13 - 5 - 1) last three seasons.

Fade any gane IND is in this year where the line is 3 - 6.5 points.

if your making any decisions based on these then you should stick to 25$ a game
 

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You laugh now, NBAcapper, but we'll see. How about if I analyze a game matchup page should I lay $100 on the pick then? I'd rather flip a coin that look at a game matchup. For one, anyone who looks at a game matchup usually comes to the same conclusion. I mean when you look at those things one team usually jumps out at you as the better choice. So anyone who analyzes the game matchup will come to the same conclusion. What sense does that make?

The truth lies in statistics, probability, variance, and standard deviations of the bettors themselves. I've been studying these things for 11 months now. I know what the hell I am talking about.
 

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Stats and trends aren't the way to go IMO. Looking for market inefficiencies is the way to go long term.
 

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Right now I'm going by eye and feel. The software that will crunch the numbers on the math is about 8 weeks away. From what I've seen the last 11 months from watching people and teams ATS, 8 - 10 selections or outcomes in the same direction is the sweet spot for things to turn. I like the Hou trend cause 0 - 5 over three seasons is a long time not to cover as a small home dog.
 

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Yes, I am aware of the more stock broker take on sports betting where you look for price changes in juice and the best of best lines. I had a friend who did ok doing it but quickly was smart enough to get out when he saw it turning. He then started a hedge fund with another friend of his who was already a fund manager on Wall Street and now he's worth like 20 million. But when he was doing it, he'd have multiple outs to bet with and be able to get the sharpest of the sharp lines and he'd keep spreadsheets of info on his results and he was always on top of line movements and price movements from 9am till game time. The avg. bettor can't do that and it is certainly not even worth doing if you are not betting $500 per game.

I want to create a 52 week/yr tool for the avg. bettor. A tool that will highlight the pathway to a different kind of logic behind their selections. One that is rooted in using the House's greatest edge against them. If the house is bad at making lines and their are spots that are a 53/47 proposition instead of a 50/50 then the house would be in a lot of trouble and they would probably close their doors. They need to be really good at the 50/50 thing. They spend millions of dollars on software to make sure they are. I've tracked stats closely on people and teams for the last 11 months. I have a dozen users who all entered 1000 picks or more across an array of sports. No one is over 52% and no one is under 49%. That's how good they are.

If that's a cold hard truth and we know that it is, at least I am, then that means If I see stats on bettors that take an outlier position on the curve over 8 - 12 selections then I know there will be an 8 - 12 selection correction. I know this because I know the house is very good at what they do.

Really, you guys are lucky. I took this idea to this oil exec from Texas I know from hanging in AC for like a decade straight. He liked to drink and was always playing the slots at the bar and me and my friends would hang at the sane bar after done laying for the night. Overtime the exec and I became friends. Three years ago I went to visit him on a trip to AC and picthed him this idea. He asked me how much I thought it would cost, I said 40 - 50k, without blinking he said I'll give you a hundred so you can do it right. So this guy is footing the bill for this website that will be able to double as the Public personal research, recall, and filter tool. Places they can come and look up stats they will find nowhere else and see stats on themselves they've never seen. We are going to be basing our logic on principles that were not thought of when creating the line. How many of you can say that? If you are looking at anything team and game statistics wise then you are basing your logic on something that was more deeply vetted by those who make the number. Everything is 100% free there are gonna be like 5 or 6 unique tools that offer historical as well as current season win percentages on an array of different fields.

The people we are fighting, the lines makers and sports books, are using extensive software that is able to archive seasons and is equipped with tools where they can recall, research, analyze, or filter databases and retrieve numbers and compute formulas. It's my goal to build for us a formidable weapon where we can find more sound logic partly based in psychology and partly based in math. We'll be able to use the tool 365 days/yr even in the sports you don't personally follow. And we'll be able to just grind out fractions of units per day. And really, I can go through all the tools and just post who I think are the best investments and why, but you can use the tools too, I would advise everyone to learn to use it on their own and I will make a walk through video pretty soon once the final touches and testing is over.

The only chance we have to really turn this sports betting thing into something that grinds out money for us $25 and $50 players is to bring to the table the only thing we got, our opinions and throw them all in the pot, let the computer do its thing on them, and then supply the tools to the users that allow them to expose the teams with the best logic behind them. Everything is free and will be free. I just want to win.
 

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peruse morning lines, pick out leans

see if there's any valuable insight here

what's hot is hot, what's not is not

stay away from massively popular plays, my masses are asses system

always remember, shit happens, I expect the unexpected

never fall in love with a play

when winning, bet more

when losing, bet less

and listen to my intuition
 

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It depends what you are statting and it depends how you look at them.

What if in a community of 100 bettors there were 7 people who were past their avg. uptrend. Meaning all 7 were on a winning streak that surpassed what their avg. win streak is. You were able to retrieve just their opinions and find out all 7 had the Broncos. That stat may mean something and I can tell you that I'd like to bet on the probability of a no cover for Den.

Funny enough I will be in AC next weekend. Sometimes I sneak out to the Borgata to play cards and shoot some dice when the kids fall asleep.
 

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correct. stats and trends are bullshit

Depends. Houston was mentioned above so lets take a look at one situation/trend
with the Texans. When Houston loses two games back-to-back straight up and against
the spread and they play their next game as a DOG...they are 22-8 money (73%). Houston
was 2-0 in this situation last year. Actually they lost back-to-back games three times
but were a favorite against Tampa Bay so can't count toward this situation.

I do agree that people who play nothing but trends are just spinning their wheels. But
there's money to be made on some if one does his homework.

For what its worth...................
 

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Interesting stat Clover. That start is really riding above the curve. Will it continue? Who knows. Games are independent variables. So the fact that they lost back to back really has no influence on the next game. Essentially, the spread makes each game 50/50 no matter what happens weeks before.

Its my my goal to create a research tool that will highlight sound psychological and mathematical logic behind a selection. I want the small time bettors to be able to sit back, use this tool, and turn sports betting into a positive grind.
 

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Interesting stat Clover. That start is really riding above the curve. Will it continue? Who knows. Games are independent variables. So the fact that they lost back to back really has no influence on the next game. Essentially, the spread makes each game 50/50 no matter what happens weeks before.

Its my my goal to create a research tool that will highlight sound psychological and mathematical logic behind a selection. I want the small time bettors to be able to sit back, use this tool, and turn sports betting into a positive grind.

I'm not trying to argue or disrupt your thread Tony but when a team loses two straight..there is an urgency for the
team not to lose three straight. For me, they being a Dog adds even more motivation. That's the kind of trend/
situations I and my friends look for.

I'll drop back and watch the thread develop and wish you good luck for any help you can give the gaming man here at
the best sports forums anywhere.

GL
 

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Clover, you are not disrupting anything. I think everyone holds a piece to the puzzle, which is why I think developing a system that incorporates as many opinions as possible is the best thing.

I see it a little differently than you, if there was merit to the back to back losses/Dog theory they would know it too. Imagine that loophole if it were true. I mean, when the situations comes up you should go to the bank, borrow 25k against your house and go to Vegas to make the bet. And if they haven't caught up with it yet, (which is hard to believe), they will and it will correct once they adjust.

Voulgharis used to make millions every year in the NBA betting nothing but second half totals. He'd look for games that were really off pace and bet the correction in the 2nd half. He killed it for years and then Vegas got better with the halftime lines in the NBA and it was no longer worth his time. I heard he won 7 million over three years. They know they have to be really good at making each matchup in spread sports a 50/50 probability. That means any subset records you generate by linking filters should also be .500, but really what you find are a lot of skews. Records in these micro categories start 5 - 1 or 2 - 6, I see it all the time, but then around the 8th - 12th selection things start to turn. Streaks seem to be lasting on Avg. 8 - 12 picks. So, what I am going to do is be able to group everyone who is over their personal avg. streak either up or down and generate a specialized consensus that takes into account just their information. Like I said, the graph of peoples # of selections (x axis) and units won/lost on the (Y axis) it would look like a stock, a bunch of peaks and valleys. One of the features we are adding right now is a graph for each user for their overall results, results in each sport, and results in 20 unique game situations in each sport. You'll have upward and downward trend avg. calculated for you. I am trying to make people aware of they ebb and flow statistics make and if we can generate the stats needed to ride these ebb and flows correctly then we are beating the game by using things that aren't even in the house's tool kit.

Your opinion alone means nothing, but maybe if we put 1,000 or 10,000 opinions together and were able to calculate a multitude of statistics and sort by a multitude of filters just maybe we can do that. I am trying to make a research tool where that knock around guy can come and be confident he can go 57% or better in every sport and bet sports 365 and make money. That's my goal. I'm gonna use it too and so are a lot of other people who hope to be able to bet thousands per game. What I need if for people that would really like to see it come to fruition is join the cause by entering your opinions into the tracker it might take you all of 1 min if you go there and know who you want.
 

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