What is the difference b/w McCain and Obama?

[Uno]

What is the difference between Obama and McCain. Im not talking 400 billion over 10 years difference either, thats chump change to what Obama wants to spend. Show me a real difference between these two. You cant, you know why? BECAUSE THERE ISNT.

Iraq

Obama will aim to put a timeline in place for withdrawal of troops. Ideally 16 months.

McCain will stay till the job is done and we can claim victory (whatever his definition of that is).

Without a shadow of doubt McCain will end up spending more in Iraq than Obama.

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Iran

Obama will engage in diplomatic talks from the bottom all of the way to the top to keep us from having to put boots on the ground.

McCain is in favor of extending the declaration of war on Iraq to Iran. He would essentially line up troops along the boarder of Iraq/Iran in order to ratchet up the pressure on Iran. I believe (and this is totally opinionated) the McCain's Iran philosophy is eerily similar to W's approach with Iraq.

(on McCain's stance here I could be distorting. I know what I mean to say is true from what I have read but I could be off base slightly. The point is that there is a difference in philosophy here.)

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Abortion

Obama is pro choice

McCain is pro life

This is one area where I agree with McCain but I think it is despicable how the republicans use this as a way to manipulate and tug at the heart strings of social conservatives yet do nothing once in power to change it.

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Taxes

Obama's platform is to raise taxes in many areas. Areas that would have a major impact because of the large number that would be taxed. IE: A CEO who makes 40 million dollars or a windfalls profit tax. Obama is opposed to McCain's tax on health care benefits. Obama is also famous for saying 95% of American's would receive a tax cut if he is president. The actual figure is in the low 80% unless he qualifies it with "Working American Families" in which case the number can be justified at 95.5%.

McCain's platform is to leave bush tax cuts in place. He likes to call it making them permenant. This is a major difference as Obama would allow the bush tax cuts for the population he does not deem "middle class" which he defines as families with an income of $250K or individuals with an income of $200K or greater. McCain would also tax the value of health benefits provided by employers as income. It is how he would fund his health care tax credit.

McCain also likes to claim he would cut EVERYONE'S taxes. Obama says if we are going to spend we have to tax but we cannot tax the middle class or the economy will become stagnant.

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That is enough for now.

 

[GasMan]

Iran

Obama will engage in diplomatic talks from the bottom all of the way to the top to keep us from having to put boots on the ground.

LMFAO!!

Hey guys...C'mon, really..cant you just stop developing and seeking nuclear weapons?

I demand you to stop! And if you dont...Ill say STOP again...but more firmly next time..Cmon guys...well put tariffs on your exports..

Ok..ok...heres my final demand. Either you stop or the RCMP is gonna come over here and stomp a boot in your butts...

 

[roadreeler57]

Obama is pro life?... LOL

 

[GasMan]

Obama's platform is to raise taxes in many areas. Areas that would have a major impact because of the large number that would be taxed. IE: A CEO who makes 40 million dollars or a windfalls profit tax. Obama is opposed to McCain's tax on health care benefits. Obama is also famous for saying 95% of American's would receive a tax cut if he is president. The actual figure is in the low 80% unless he qualifies it with "Working American Families" in which case the number can be justified at 95.5%.


LMAO!!! I guess he just forgot the work "Working" last night during the debate when he said 95% of Americans will get tax cuts..Lmao!

Musta had some amnesia,...or maybe he was confused from his proposal a couple weeks ago..

Oh, and why did he not mention the STOPPING of the Bush Stimulus tax credit that is going to continue indefinately..unless Obama puts a stop to it which he said he is going to..LMAO..

He is a liar and Uno is Obamohippie #1! LMAO Uno!! you are the greatest!

 

[Uno]

thanks for pointing that out RR... my bad.

GM you should read what I said to you in the last thread you posted in before this one. I would love to engage in a topical discussion about something like Iran with you and you might even convince me I am wrong. But not as long as your main weapon is sarcasm. It looks like you are trying to cover up lack of knowledge which I don't believe is the case.

 

[GasMan]

Obama is pro choice

HA HA HA...I cant beleive it! Another fabrication!!!

Obama is againt capital punishment for murderers, rapists, pedophiles etc!!!

But yet lets kill living humans in the 8th month of pregancy!! LMAO AGAIN!!!

Spew your bullshit somewher else Uno....you are in fantasy land!

 

[Uno]

Obama's platform is to raise taxes in many areas. Areas that would have a major impact because of the large number that would be taxed. IE: A CEO who makes 40 million dollars or a windfalls profit tax. Obama is opposed to McCain's tax on health care benefits. Obama is also famous for saying 95% of American's would receive a tax cut if he is president. The actual figure is in the low 80% unless he qualifies it with "Working American Families" in which case the number can be justified at 95.5%.


LMAO!!! I guess he just forgot the work "Working" last night during the debate when he said 95% of Americans will get tax cuts..Lmao!

Musta had some amnesia,...or maybe he was confused from his proposal a couple weeks ago..

Oh, and why did he not mention the STOPPING of the Bush Stimulus tax credit that is going to continue indefinately..unless Obama puts a stop to it which he said he is going to..LMAO..

He is a liar and Uno is Obamohippie #1! LMAO Uno!! you are the greatest!

i think him not mentioning the "working families" part could be one of two things... 1. a blatant distortion or 2. he could have misspoke like McCain did when he said he would give everyone a $5K tax credit for health care. that is a distortion as well but I don't believe it was blatant by McCain.

and i am not an "Obamahippie"... I disagree with the guy on drilling, abortion, global warming, and more.

lastly don't call obama a liar unless you are ready to concede mccain is one as well. i think they both blatantly distort because that is how politics work. i don't like it but i don't like having to shave every day either.

 

[Uno]

Obama is pro choice

HA HA HA...I cant beleive it! Another fabrication!!!

Obama is againt capital punishment for murderers, rapists, pedophiles etc!!!

But yet lets kill living humans in the 8th month of pregancy!! LMAO AGAIN!!!

Spew your bullshit somewher else Uno....you are in fantasy land!

not sure your point here GM. Obama is very clearly pro choice, one of his stances I disagree with.

none of this is bullshit man. it is all grounded in a lot of research. for the record i am also for capital punishment.

 

[Uno]

also this thread is not so that i can debate the issues, although i am fine doing...

it is to find out how Fletch, one of the more intelligent guys in here, can say there are no differences b/w the candidates.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

not sure your point here GM. Obama is very clearly pro choice, one of his stances I disagree with.

none of this is bullshit man. it is all grounded in a lot of research. for the record i am also for capital punishment.

Who gives a shit what people do with their bodies. You know how many abortions we had since 1971? 60 Million. Things would be crowded. I think its a necessary evil and even though i wouldnt want to be a part of one, its not my choice. So unless all you pro lifers are willing to adopt, shut the fuck up and stop the micromanaging. Hell, half you cant even keep your own marriages together less worry about someone elses family situation.

 

[GasMan]

Uno..all joking aside. I am pro choice also. I do not beleive in abortion as a form of birth control, but there are situations that I just cant be far right like my party mates.

Rape, incest, downs syndrom, genetic mutations etc. are all areas that I feel are choices that two grown, consenting adults should be able to make.

I do not agree with the opposition of the dems on capital punishment..you really cant have it both ways.

I came across a little harsh and disrespectful above, for that I apologize. You have never done that to me. Sorry.

 

[fletchisrhsm]

also this thread is not so that i can debate the issues, although i am fine doing...

it is to find out how Fletch, one of the more intelligent guys in here, can say there are no differences b/w the candidates.

I have to get to sleep, you know, im trying to live up to the lofty standards set forth by a 23 year old jackels father who went to the great U of M (what a shit hole). So, i will gladly pick this up in the morning.

 

[Uno]

Who gives a shit what people do with their bodies. You know how many abortions we had since 1971? 60 Million. Things would be crowded. I think its a necessary evil and even though i wouldnt want to be a part of one, its not my choice. So unless all you pro lifers are willing to adopt, shut the fuck up and stop the micromanaging. Hell, half you cant even keep your own marriages together less worry about someone elses family situation.

it is funny you say that. i come from a family of 14 kids, 10 of which are adopted. my dad serves on many foster care boards around the country because he believes that something should be done to back up the stance he takes.

i believe you are entitled to your opinion on abortion just like anything else whether i agree with it or not.

another argument in favor of abortion is where are going to put the aborters if they are guilty of a crime. we have no room in prison.

regardless i am interested to see you address the point of the thread.

 

[roadreeler57]

Ditch both of them & vote for somebody else. I'll take this guy http://baldwin08.com

 

[Uno]

Uno..all joking aside. I am pro choice also. I do not beleive in abortion as a form of birth control, but there are situations that I just cant be far right like my party mates.

Rape, incest, downs syndrom, genetic mutations etc. are all areas that I feel are choices that two grown, consenting adults should be able to make.

I do not agree with the opposition of the dems on capital punishment..you really cant have it both ways.

I came across a little harsh and disrespectful above, for that I apologize. You have never done that to me. Sorry.

my only point to you man is that i respect where you are coming from and that you have your views and if you will respect mine then we can all be respectful and have an intelligible conversation about it.

as someone who has openly gone from obama to mccain and back to obama i am someone who is constantly learning and open to changing my opinion on many topics.

 

[bigplay]

McCain ...nearly 30 years in the Senate = zero Bilderberg Meetings.
Obama....3 years in the Senate............= one Bilderberg Meeting.

 

[JDeuce]

Obama is probably the least qualified presidential candidate in history. Wants to take this country down the path towards the largest socialistic agenda since FDR was president. His plan is simply more government welfare and entitlements. His kind of thinking is what led to the current mortgage crisis where he voted and championed giving homes to people who could not afford to pay for them. He is highly partisan and extremely liberal...and has flip flopped on his stances more than John Kerry. I would vote for Obama if he wanted to reverse the spending trend this government is on. I'm serious. But he won't....he promised more spending.

I want less spending. I am tired of working my ass off just to give the government half of my pay. Even though I'm probably in the "rich" tax bracket by dem standards, I'm the most middle class guy you'll ever meet. We need less spending and more tax cuts.

The Government is out of control. Anyone who gets a goverment paycheck or government benefits is who the Dems cater to. They don't give a fuck about helping people fend for themselves...they give a fuck about finding enough idiots to vote them into power.

 

[barman]

GASMAN goes off: Obama is pro choice

Obama is againt capital punishment for murderers, rapists, pedophiles etc!!!

SH: Makes sense to most of us.

GM: But yet lets kill living humans in the 8th month of pregancy!!

SH: Look, if they're not needed, flush the scudders out and get on with your life already.

Words to live by in the event some poor gal gets that far along and suddenly snaps to how a newborn could cause possibly irreparable harm to the future of her and her family.

Fortunately, such an event only occurs about three times a day in the USA

And with increased education teaching women how to avoid unwanted pregnancy and/or get abortions way earlier (first few weeks is certainly best), this number will shrink to where third trimester terminations become even more rare.

 

[Muddy]

Dumb Topic!

People Dont Give A Fukk About These Issues

 

[DonDotta27]

McCain ...nearly 30 years in the Senate = zero Bilderberg Meetings.
Obama....3 years in the Senate............= one Bilderberg Meeting.

Uno doesn't even know who the buildaburgs are. I told him a few weeks ago to do some research because Obama is being bought out by these big buisness guys. But don't worry Americans Obama is for the people.:missingte