What if.................

[KMAN]

Oklahoma ties up the game on that last drive and wins the game in overtime with a FG? Does Oklahoma still suck? Do they still not deserve to be in the BCS title game?

Everyone is making it sound like Oklahoma is the worst team in the country and got killed by LSU. Last I checked LSU won the game by 7 thanks to an incomplete pass on 4th down in LSU territory. In fact, they were inches away from tying the game on a pass where the ball barely hit the ground in the end zone.

LSU only gained about 60 yards of offense the whole second half, yet all we here is about how Oklahoma didn't deserve to be in the game in the first place.

If LSU loses, are people going to be bitching about LSU being in th BCS championship game??????

KMAN

 

[WCBias]

K-MAN

I totally agree with you. As horrible as Oklahoma played...And I just don't think they are a very good team, LSU tried to give the game away. Offensively they did nothing for the last 20 minutes of the game and I actually thought that Oklahoma was going to tie it up.

You have to hand it to LSU's defense, but offensively this is a mediocre team. USC's defense would have no problem containing LSU's offense. In fact, LSU doesn't have as good of offense as Michigan, and USC easily contained that attack.

 

[KMAN]

WC Bias - I was SOOOOOOO impressed with every part of USC's game. Leinhart is a stud, I had Michigan in the game so I was hoping Leinhart would make a mistake.....he didn't. Pete Carroll is a great coach. I couldn't find one weakness.

KMAN

 

[WCBias]

Wait till next year...they get everyone back and should crush everybody. Carroll is going to prove his mettle next year. So long that he can keep everyone focussed, I don't see anyone coming close to competing with this team.

Reminds me a lot of Miami in 2001...the big difference being Miami really did get screwed when they let Florida State play for the national championship the prior year...so Miami was definitely focussed all year long.

Have to wait and see if USC can keep their heads, but oh god...Leinert, Williams, Bush, White, and a cast of 1000's back to defend the national title.

 

[omdee]

K man I saw LSU dominate on defense, and if not for 2 plays blkd punt and int shutout city heck OK struggled to punch it in from the freakin 3 yd line. penalties and the big east bozos and not being able to run pretty much killed them. and if you think about it OK has not been on the losing end of games much so maybe they're not prepared for it. personally I would have rather seen USC vs OK. just another opinion. good luck

 

[KMAN]

omdee - You could also say without the 64 yard run by Vincent to start the game (thanks to poor tackling) it would have been totally different also. What about the interception return for a TD by a LSU D-Lineman? How often does that happen? You could also say, what if Oklahoma doesn't commit so many stupid penalties on so many 3rd down conversions. They killed themselves the whole game. I realize there are plenty of "What if's" but you have to agree that LSU was inches away from going to overtime.

Which brings me back to my point....What if LSU lost?

I just don't like the fact that so many people thought Oklahoma shouldn't have been there because they lost to Kansas St. Everyone seems to forget that LSU lost to Florida at home and everyone saw Florida get pounded by Iowa in their home field advantage bowl game. Everyone also forgets that USC lost to California, a team that Kansas St handled rather easily early in the season.

I didn't have a problem with any of the 3 teams being in the BS championship game. I just wanted to point out that despite Oklahoma's poor offensive performance they were inches away from going to overtime and that any of the 3 teams deserved to be there.

KMAN

 

[Co-Captain]

If Oklahoma, came back to score a TD and then went into OT and won it by a FG. I think that some will say that they are all deserving for a National Title, for one because they showed that all aspects of their team contributed to them overcoming and ultimately beating LSU. The Off scored, the Def prevented more scores, and the Special teams led to scores. Put that together with them coming from behind all game, to win it in the end, says that this is a team that does has the talent and heart to come from behind against big odds. They probably use the saying , trues Champions get it done when it matters the most. Or the never say die attitude that Oklahoma showed is what Champions know they have or is what Champions always play to the end.

But then on the LSU side, if they lost in OT, would probably be criticize for lacking the ability that Real Champions possess, and that is the ability to close a game out. Or that LSU's youth caught up to them by the olders, gamer, more experienced, and more seasoned players who have again proven their worth all the accolades of a Champion for the character they showed in the face of possible defeat. I am sure they would have more ways to praise and back Oklahoma for achieving the victory. And probably have alot of excuses for why LSU came so close, but finally resorting to a comment like ,this is not their year. Or next year is their year. Some BS like that. We need to have a playoff, plain and simple, where no one can argue against the results of a head to head game between LSU and USC. Dam , I would have loved to watch that one.

[This message was edited by Co-Captain on January 07, 2004 at 12:47 PM.]

 

[WCBias]

K-Man...

Here I disagree with you about Oklahoma. They did not deserve to play in the national championship game. And I'm not even considering their performance against LSU.

The only thing about college football that is remotely close to a playoff is that, for most teams, if you lose late in the season...take your seat. The exception is the Big 12, which is year-in and year-out the most overated conference in the BCS, and proved as much during the Bowl season.

The same two years ago. Colorado beat the shit out of Nebraska, yet Nebraska got to play for the National Championship over Oregon, based primarily on their strength of schedule and margin of victory. They proceeded to get crushed by Miami in the ROse Bowl. Oregon...they beat the shit out of Colorado, the Big 12 conference winner (which by the way, was also ranked ahead of Oregon).

There is simply no way to truly measure strength of schedule...and that is the only reason the computers had Oklahoma #1. I bet if they redid the computers just prior to the Sugar Bowl, and counting all of the Big 12 losses in the bowls, Oklahoma wouldn't have been #1 in some of those computers.

So long that this system is in place, if you lose later in the season, and especially your last game...you should be eliminated. That is when you shoul be playing your best football. An NFL team could go 16-0, win the divisional round, then lose in the NFC championship. They still may be the best team in the country, but they lost in the end and so they don't get to play for the championship.

Nothing against Oklahoma, they were a damn good football team, and quite frankly, had the KSU loss been somewhat competitive, I might have a different opinion. But they got crushed in that game (like Nebraska did against Colorado) and had no business being in the national championship.

My $.02.

 

[KMAN]

WC Bias - I hear what you are saying but respectfully disagree. I just don's see how when a team loses should matter.

Here's a wild example: Let's say a snow storm comes through and Oklahoma and Kansas St are tied 0-0, it's a field position game so Oklahoma has the ball at their own 10 yard line. Oklahoma fumbles the snap and Kansas St picks it up and runs it in and ends up winning 6-0 (missed extra point). How can you say Oklahoma doesn't deserve to be in the BS Championship game?


KMAN

 

[WCBias]

K-Man...

If you read my post, you will see I agree with you that had they played a good game against Kansas State, or some other factor impacted the game like weather, then I would have no problem with them playing in the national championship game.

That is simply not the case....OK got crushed by four touchdowns. Sure USC lost...but by three points in triple overtime because their kicker missed a field goal.

Oklahoma got flat out spanked and embarrassed by K-State, and absolutely did not deserve to play in the national championship.