What I find refreshing about having Trump as President

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He has effectively neutralized the media and called them out for what they are (simply a group that spews propaganda) and has allowed the country to have a conversation (one that was very much needed). For better or worse, Trump is using tweets to communicate directly with the public and not allowing things to be filtered by the media first so they can put their spin on it. And although I wish he would get a second set of eyes on some of these tweets before he sends them, given a choice of whether he should continue with it or not, I say tweet away. It's more than clear that this is one of the biggest reasons the media is having a hissy fit since they're all about brainwashing people. We've been at a point for quite some time where "reporters" no longer report. The Op-Ed section is now the front page and people are encouraged not to use their minds. And that's more than apparent by the people that go to forums after actively searching for every negative news smear they can find and post this information (which I find laughable as it's clear they need to let others do their thinking for them since they couldn't possibly have a reasoned conversation with others).


In regards to having a conversation. let's think about what we've been exposed to for the last 8 years....


-Immigration: Many of you watched the Superbowl and got to see a variety of commercials showing things like the poor mother and daughter, heroically trying to illegally cross the border in search of a better life for themselves. And yet we never hear about the other side of the story. The Kate Steinle's and the Bologna families (in my neck of the woods to name a few). Can you imagine Obama having a speech and bringing in a family who's daughter was murdered by an illegal alien or pointing out all of the illegals in our prison (yeah, don't think so...that doesn't work for their agenda). And Liberals appear to be fine with just tossing people under a bus and pretending they don't exist if it doesn't support their agenda. Not to mention, who in their right mind could possibly be against taking steps to secure our border (be it by an actual structure or tighter vetting). I'm not even going to say I love the way this has started out since I wouldn't isolate out any countries, I would just simply say make it more thorough for anyone entering the country, since it's not like a terrorist couldn't infiltrate an ally of ours and come in that way. The bottom line is, if you think securing our border is a bad thing, then you are essentially saying that you think the U.S. should have open borders. And if that's the case, feel free to explain how we could possibly do that.


-Health Care: How often do we hear how cold blooded Republicans are for not covering pre-existing illnesses (a group that represents about 1/2% of the country). And yet the hardship placed on others (which represents significantly more people) is simply ignored. Yeah, fuck those people if they're having problems putting food on their tables because they have to pay more for health care....not their problem. How convenient. This is typically followed by how we need single payer. Of course, the people that spout that are quick to ignore that people in countries that are at least somewhat larger in scale (i.e. UK, Germany, France) tax its citizens anywhere from 50%-70%. Somehow I'm thinking the 90% of people in this country that get their health coverage from their employer or the government are not paying that high a price for health care. Spare me the cherry picking of the smaller countries like Canada who are only 11% of our population. There's a big difference dealing with the size and scale of the U.S. and health care.


-School Choice: I live in a state that pays it's teachers at the high end of the scale and for that we get a 47th placing out of 50 on our ranking for education. But lord forbid you mention school choice because they're clearly doing such a fine job with our children. Yeah, sorry. Results do matter and frankly I'm tired of hearing excuses from a group that are more than happy to vote for any politicians that want to do nothing about making sure that many of the children in our schools speak English as a 1st language (can't have it both ways). CA spends over $11k per student and the teachers here complain it's not enough (funny). I've lived in SF or a stone's throw from it for 50 years and we have the worst schools in the nation. Given a choice to have the ability to put the kids here in Parochial schools over the public schools, I don't know a parent that wouldn't pick the former. And $11k a year would put a kid in Parochial schools from Kindergarten through High School (I've already done the math and know the prices of schools in our area).


Unfortunately, you can't have a conversation with most people in this area. They're too busy hurling insults or starting off conversations with "who would be so crazy.....(fill in the blank)". Needless to say, when you start off conversations like that, you're not interested in an opposing viewpoint, and you simply show how intellectually rigid and close minded you are.
 

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For many years I've found myself not the least bit interested in the Liberal
viewpoint. Does that make me rigid or just efficient for not cluttering my
mind with nonsense?
 

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For many years I've found myself not the least bit interested in the Liberal
viewpoint. Does that make me rigid or just efficient for not cluttering my
mind with nonsense?

I don't think it makes one rigid if they're willing to engage with others (and you clearly have shown that someone could have a conversation with you, regardless if your viewpoints don't mesh). You simply can't do that with the majority of people in my area. The first thing out of their mouths are typically insults. They don't want to hear an opposing viewpoint regardless if it's logical or not.
 

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For many years I've found myself not the least bit interested in the Liberal
viewpoint. Does that make me rigid or just efficient for not cluttering my
mind with nonsense?

to be productive, it's wise to focus on the task in front of you

ignoring idiocy helps with that

I like to say my mind has various folders, and their garbage goes right into my spam bucket where it belongs

Although I do enjoy laughing at their expense, laughing is good for you

They also make me appreciate everything I've been blessed with and everything I'm not, so they do serve some purpose
 

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I don't think it makes one rigid if they're willing to engage with others (and you clearly have shown that someone could have a conversation with you, regardless if your viewpoints don't mesh). You simply can't do that with the majority of people in my area. The first thing out of their mouths are typically insults. They don't want to hear an opposing viewpoint regardless if it's logical or not.
The Bay area is one of the few parts of the country I haven't visited.
Since moving to Vegas I thought about it because of the close proximity.
However after seeing what SanFran has turned into and hearing what you
have to say, I've kinda crossed it off my bucket list.
 

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to be productive, it's wise to focus on the task in front of you

ignoring idiocy helps with that

I like to say my mind has various folders, and their garbage goes right into my spam bucket where it belongs

Although I do enjoy laughing at their expense, laughing is good for you

They also make me appreciate everything I've been blessed with and everything I'm not, so they do serve some purpose
I see your point although barely. I guess after being around for 7 decades
I've become less tolerant of stupidity than I was when I was younger.

Once reality set in and I realized I couldn't fix stupid I just stopped trying.
I have now resorted to mocking as my primary source of amusement.
 

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The Bay area is one of the few parts of the country I haven't visited.
Since moving to Vegas I thought about it because of the close proximity.
However after seeing what SanFran has turned into and hearing what you
have to say, I've kinda crossed it off my bucket list.

I'd say a good move on your part. Even moderates don't want to engage with anything politically based with most people that live here. It's an area that can be very socially expensive if you don't march in lockstep with them. I enjoy my family and my few close friends. I've also got a knack for making most of these people (i.e workplace, etc.) eat their words in a very tactful way if they try to engage me (most don't, but they don't hate me either because they can never figure out where I stand on things)
 

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The mask has completely come off for the media.

They are openly saying they won't report fully on the Susan Rice story because it is a "distraction" from the real story which of course is Trump/Russia.

Never mind that there is no actual evidence for the Trump/Russia story (it is just an obsession at this point).
 

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oh wow

So about a year ago, majority of Americans would probably view the mainstream media as having full integrity and Donnie as being a lying con man.

But now we find it's Just The Opposite. Donnie is the one with high integrity and the thousands of people in mainstream media are all dishonest hacks!

I for one feel better with the bright lights revealing the truth
 

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oh wow

So about a year ago, majority of Americans would probably view the mainstream media as having full integrity and Donnie as being a lying con man.

But now we find it's Just The Opposite. Donnie is the one with high integrity and the thousands of people in mainstream media are all dishonest hacks!

I for one feel better with the bright lights revealing the truth

Interesting. Source?
 

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And FWIW (up to you on how much credibility you want to give it), a Pew Poll put out just about a year ago says you're a bit off on your statement (they simply have some confidence...a far cry from what you are claiming)

2. Trust and accuracy

BY AMY MITCHELL, JEFFREY GOTTFRIED, MICHAEL BARTHEL AND ELISA SHEARER
Few have a lot of confidence in the information they get from professional outlets or friends and family, but large majorities have at least some trust in both; social media gets substantially lower trust scores.


  • Only about two-in-ten Americans (22%) trust the information they get from local news organizations a lot, whether online or offline, and 18% say the same of national organizations, slightly higher than the 14% who say this of the information they get from their friends and family. While the portion saying they have a lot of trust in each group is low, large majorities have at least some trust.
 

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oh wow

So about a year ago, majority of Americans would probably view the mainstream media as having full integrity and Donnie as being a lying con man.

But now we find it's Just The Opposite. Donnie is the one with high integrity and the thousands of people in mainstream media are all dishonest hacks!

I for one feel better with the bright lights revealing the truth


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I don't know Stevie, that's just not plausible. A majority of Americans know the media lies and distorts the truth, hence they're one of the least respected professions on earth.


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journalists only more trustworthy than Politicians and Real Estate Agents

I've seen studies where car salesman are the least trusted profession, poor guys

But you will find politicians and the media near the bottom every time
 

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Please tell me how you would rate the honesty and ethical standards of people in these different fields -- very high, high, average, low or very low? How about -- [RANDOM ORDER]?
Very HighHighAverageLowVery Low
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Nurses29551321
Pharmacists15522662
Medical doctors15502952
Engineers13522941
Dentists10493452
Police officers164229103
College teachers103732126
Clergy12323994
Psychiatrists6324593
Chiropractors53345103
Bankers22246228
Journalists419342318
Lawyers315452611
State governors21645278
Business executives21550239
Stockbrokers210462811
HMO managers11148238
Senators111373614
Advertising practitioners110462911
Insurance salespeople110512810
Car salespeople18453115


this has to be a high point for journalists, and it's not very high
 

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on a side bar, a majority of Americans think law enforcement is honest yet democrats choose to attack them for some reason

"ummmmmmmmm"
 

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