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Cleveland +6

Cleveland to win 1-5 +800

Cleveland to win 6-10 +1100

Cleveland to win 11-15 +1600

Denver +3 -105

Denver +.5 1st H +101

Denver to win 1-5 +400

Denver to win 6-10 +800

Denver to win 11-15 +1100

Cincinnati +1.5 1st H +105

St Louis to win 1-5 +400

St Louis to win 6-10 +800

St Louis to win 11-15 +1100

Cincinnati to win 1-5 +400

Cincinnati to win 6-10 +800
 

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reading EGD's posts?

he's betting that teams will win exactly by a certain number of points. Example:

Cleveland to win 1-5 +800

If cleveland wins by 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5, he risked one unit to win 8.
 

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I have placed answers within your quote.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Holysmoke:
Cleveland +6 (Cleveland is getting 6 points. They can win the game outright or lose by less than 6 to win the bet. If they lose by 6 it is a tie and you get you bet money back. You would risk $110 to win $100 on Cleveland plus six points)

Cleveland to win 1-5 +800 (If You risk $100 on Cleveland to win the game by between 1 and 5 points and it hits you win $800)

Cleveland to win 6-10 +1100 (Same as above but $100 to win $1100 if Cleveland wins by 6-10)

Cleveland to win 11-15 +1600 (You get the idea from above)

Denver +3 -105 (If you bet Denver for the game, you get 3 points and only have to lay $105 to win $100. The favorite is -3 $115 to win $100)

Denver +.5 1st H +101 (Denver is plys a half point for the first half. If thy are tied with whoever they are playing or winning you win the bet. You are laying $100 to win $101 in this case.)

Denver to win 1-5 +400 (See above with Cleve)

Denver to win 6-10 +800

Denver to win 11-15 +1100

Cincinnati +1.5 1st H +105

St Louis to win 1-5 +400

St Louis to win 6-10 +800

St Louis to win 11-15 +1100

Cincinnati to win 1-5 +400

Cincinnati to win 6-10 +800<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Does it make sense? Let us know. Happy to help. Best of luck.
 

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That helps alot, I'm still a little confused tho, what is the money line and is it represented in egd's post?
 

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"Moneyline" is usually used to indicate picking the winner without a spread. EGD has a play on Cleveland +6. If he didn't want the +6, he could play cleveland straight up at something like +260. If you took Cleveland +6 you usually get it at -110, meaning you risk 110 to win 100, and all Cleveland has to do is come within 6 points of winning. For the moneyline bet of Cleveland +260, you would risk 100 to win 260, but you need Cleveland to win the game outright to cash in.

Most of the plays by EGD here are written in "moneyline notation", but are generally considered proposition or exotic bets. meaning they are not regular "to win" or pointspread bets, but bets on more specific things (for example, exact margin of victory in this case).

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What bets are the safest? I have read that it is not good to do exotic bets and teasers (not sure what that is) and parlays (not sure what that is either). Is there a guide for newbies to read somewhere?
 

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The safest bets...the ones that win
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If you are just starting out you should try and stick to straight sides and totals.

You are correct, parlays and teasers can be tricky.

Here is a game example for tonight.
The line is Miami -6/San Diego +6.
The total is 37.5
The moneyline is Miami -240/ SanDiego +210

If you bet Miami -6 you would risk $110 to win $100. The Dolphins need to win by more than 6 to win your bet and receive $210 ($110 you risked plus the $100 you won). If it lands on 6 it is a push and you get your $110 back.

The total is 37.5 (this is the total number of points to be scored by both teams combined). You can either bet the over or the under. If you want Under 37.5, you risk $110 to win $100. To win they must score less than 37.5 for the entire game, including overtime.

The moneyline, takes the points (-6/+6) out of the equation. You now simply have to pick who will win the game outright. If you want Miami you risk $240 to win $100 (winning bet would receive $340, the $240 you risked and the $100 you won). If you want San Diego you risk $100 to win $210 (winning bet would pay $310, the $100 you risked plus the $210 you won).

You will get a lot of different answers about what is the safest way to play. For example, I usually look to play underdogs and under the total. Nothing is better than having an underdog win the game outright. Most novice players tend to always play the favorite and the over the total. Generally speaking, I believe it is psychological in nature. Because a team is favored, it is ingrained that they should win...so why not play them. As well, people always think teams will score points and want them to score points so they are entertained so they tend to bet the over the total points more. I am not saying to only play underdogs and under the total but becareful of falling into the trap that favorites always should win and a lot of points should be scored.

Back to our example. A parlay is linking two wagers together into one. Because you need to win both plays to win, it pays out more money. Let's say tonight you like Miami -6 and Under the total of 37.5 - you would parlay them together risking $100 to win roughly $264. If Miami wins 24-7 you would win the play. Miami coverd the 6 and the total was 31, thus under the 37.5. You would win $364, the $100 you risked and the $264 you won. If Miami wins 10-7. You would lose because you have to win both sides that you played and Miami only won by 3. Parlays are enticing because of the better odd/return but I find that it sometimes can be difficult to just win one game, let alone 2 or 3. You can do 2, 3, 4 etc parlays. The more plays you add the higher the payout and the smaller probability that you win .

Teasers. Let's start by saying never tease college football games. A teaser is where you are able to move the line a certain number of points but in return you risk more upfront.

Again you like Miami -6 and under the total of 37.5. So we will tease it. Standard tease in football is 6 points, meaning you can move both lines in you favor 6 points. So now you would have Miami at pick or even and Under the total of 43.5. This bet would risk $120 to win $100. Again you have to win both side and total to win the game. Go back to the last example where you would have lost your parlay when Miami won 10-7. With a teaser you would have won because Miami was a pick 'em and only needed to win the game. The payout would be $220, the $120 you risked and the $100 you won.

You can also do teasers with more points but you have to risk more up front for that right, basically you are purchasing points. Generally, if you tease you should tease the most points they allow you to tease. On the above two team example you would probably move the line 7 points each way but then have to risk $140 to $100. I say this because I once had a 6 point tease that lost by 1/2 a point. Never forgot that because i could have moved it 7. I was too cheap to lay the extra juice and it cost me the win. Now, i do not tease at all

It is a lot to take in. That is why if I were you i would stick to a few games so you don't lose your butt early. I would stick to straight sides and totals. As I said, it is hard enough to pick one side of a game, so why parlay and have to win multiple games. Teasers have their name for a reason, it always looks to enticing when you first play it.

Good luck

[This message was edited by Mosi on October 27, 2003 at 05:27 PM.]
 

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I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my question so well. Is a side bet taking one side or the other like Miami -6?
 
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Mosi, very good explanation player. Nice of you to take the time and explain that. I can tell you didn't just copy and paste that from somewhere else.
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Mosi,
Awesome post, you know your stuff but even though I am not a newbie I would like you to clarify more on the common notion that "squares" or newbies tend to bet favorites and the over. I do not totally disagree with that but linesmakers would not make a team the favorite if they didn't expect them to probably win right?...that says nothing about a favorite covering or not covering the spread but just winning. I admit I am often tempted to find favorites that I think will not only win but cover easily. I have tried to look for more dog plays but that gets some people into the trend of "oh I can't play too many fav's or I'll be a square" and they go out and play dogs that don't win or cover. I think a good capper can find fav's/dogs/over/under by just capping the game and seeing what the best play is. A "value" or opportunity is just that no matter what. This season in college with all the high scoring offenses like Texas Tech etc the OVER has cashed a lot. I think last week there was a O/U of 74 pts in a game and guess what..it went OVER! Just some thoughts but I basically agree with your post and good job laying out the basics!
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I would say that a square and or a newbie will play mostly favs and overs. I don't think most of these people are handicapping a game per se. Most people who start gambling probably do so in their late teens or early twenties (not a fact, simply what my experience has shown).

These players just get hooked in to, man look at the line of course Miami will beat the Chargers by 6. It is more of gut feeling and the feeling of you think you know everything at that age. Yeah, they may look at the standings or the Sagarin ratings in the paper but they are not handicapping in the true sense of the word.

I agree one must look to play all different sides and totals. Perhaps I have misled some. I do not only play dogs and unders because it is around a 50/50 propostion. More so, I was warning against falling into the trap of playing primarily favs and overs. It is just as important to me to see what dogs and unders players are leaning on. For instance last week in the college I had two big winners with Bowling Green and LSU. For the most part squares were playing the dogs in those two.

This particular year in the NFL has been kind to newbies and squares I would say. Home underdogs in the NFL are only 10 and 22 this year. These games are particuarly enticing to new players because they do not think about home advantage. The biggest last week, which happened to win, was Tennessee -4 over Jacksonville. it is very difficult to not think Tenn will win and cover the game. Most newbies will say, why are they only favored by 4, it is a steal. However, if the game was in Tenn it would have been a -10 point line.

One interesting note, especially in the NFL is that the points rarely come into play. Someone was tracking this in the Forums earlier this year, as I did in the pre-season, and the points only come into play about 10 percent of the time. Maybe someone here has longer tern statistics. So to your point that Vegas makes teams a favorite for a reason, that is true. But a lot of time the underdog wins the give straight up...making for some great moneyline opps. Last week St Louis, Cincy, NY Giants, Carolina and Arizona, all dogs, won outright. Only Houston covered but did not win.

Back to looking for favs when the public is playing dogs for a second. Newbies also get a lot of info from the TV, and the so called experts. Most of whom are very square. Just listen to how many times during the highlights are during the middle of a game you will hear about an upset brewing when the team that is perceived as the dog was actually favored, or in the instance of college football probably higher ranked. The Polls are a joke, they should just have Vegas put out the Top 25 each week.

One last point to my original thoughts about favs and overs is the fact that there are a lot of televised games and these are the games newbies and squares love to play. Watch the football forum, some guys play every national tv game. There is not way they are finding value in every one...they are simply playing to have action. With that being said, watch what happens in these games. If I had no idea about a tv game and had to have action, I always look for information to support playing the dog or the under.

Anyway I digress, everyone has to be willing to learn and be open minded. Some things work for some and not for others. Gambling is extremely emotional, if you are really trying to make cash, you need to be extremely disciplined and patient. You have to learn from each game you play. It is a grind, a marathon and not a sprint. There is always a game to play and usually on tv most every night of the week now. There will always be an opportunity the next day.

This Forum offers a lot of information. Thanks for posting in this thread Vol.

Best of luck to all.

[This message was edited by Mosi on October 29, 2003 at 11:23 AM.]
 

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