What AMAZES me is all the LONG TERMERS worried about discussing the RECENT CHANGE

[Doug]

I wouldn't even dare try to use my regular Visa card to deposit anymore, they damn well might cancel the card on me. Similar with a bank wire, I don't want accounts getting closed.

I blame Bush, not Obama.

There is a reason some people send MG/ WU under false names, Illini.

The whole process makes you feel like a cocaine dealer, add in the possibility of showing ID/ fingerprinting to send, and you'll eliminate a lot of guys. Limits can also be lowered, AZ has it at $400, from what I hear.

A white guy sending money to Managua stands out like an Arab boarding a plane wearing turban.

 

[Scoops]

I blame Bush, not Obama.

I agree with this.

 

[Illini]

I wouldn't even dare try to use my regular Visa card to deposit anymore, they damn well might cancel the card on me. Similar with a bank wire, I don't want accounts getting closed.

I blame Bush, not Obama.

There is a reason some people send MG/ WU under false names, Illini.

The whole process makes you feel like a cocaine dealer, add in the possibility of showing ID/ fingerprinting to send, and you'll eliminate a lot of guys. Limits can also be lowered, AZ has it at $400, from what I hear.

A white guy sending money to Managua stands out like an Arab boarding a plane wearing turban.

Fucking hilarious.

 

[Illini]

Ok well lets first start with the locations that are bing sent to via MG and WU....add in todays climate and all these fake stupid names with fake phone numbers......WU and MG through the each state are bign forced to go out and review the receipts......well if the neck of the merchant gets stepped on for all these transactions where he has thrown away the receipts.....no more! I have seen that already occur

Also I have seen where merchants with so many have been pressured to set up the guy who regularly comes in and makes those transactions and he gets stinged....I know of this as well

What I am getting at here is that what we all feared two to three years ago with the new regs is now working through the merchant being audited....can you get away with one a month....sure....but I would be looking for multiple places and....and not making it a routine...YES THE GAMER will be the NEXT in the STING....come on who would know?? Me LOL

Are you saying you got in trouble?

 

[Illini]

I've never done a moneygram transaction at Walmart where the clerk seemed to have an IQ above 90. I don't think it's anything to be paranoid about.

 

[Doug]

I do not doubt this one bit.

Again, I pose the question. How will those federal cocksuckers stop someone from sending a cashier's check via FedEx to the offshore of their choice? :think2:

This appears to be the sole remaining method of funding an offshore account. Thoughts? :think2:

Well when you get the check you can still leave the payee blank, and write that in by hand, right ? The banks might be forced to review the payees on international checks when they get cashed. Maybe that ZZQP Consulting you made the check out to gets later identified as gaming related, then the bank now dislikes you ?

Maybe Money orders ? That is the first way I ever funded. Send like a $100 MO ( from Walmart, not Postal) to Bowmans via regular mail. Some books have recently paid clients with MO's.

Anyway it will become difficult enough for many to stop playing.

I quit smoking when cigs went to $8/ pack, and online ordering got to a bigger hassle.

 

[Doug]

I've never done a moneygram transaction at Walmart where the clerk seemed to have an IQ above 90. I don't think it's anything to be paranoid about.

A dumbass clerk is even worse.....she might screw it up, spell something wrong, and your transaction gets fucked up, or have to call a manager, and it takes half an hour at the store.

Now a book generally pays the $10 MG fee for $300+ deposit ( I usually do the minimum, planning to win), and might even give a bonus. If you have to send Fed-ex instead of MG, and keep it at $300, the book won't be happy paying a $35-40 fee to get it ( understandable), so no bonus for you. Maybe you don't want to send them $1,000 or more.

Everything that makes this harder for all involved will drive players away and reduce profits for the book.....basically the goal of UIGEA.

 

[Illini]

A dumbass clerk is even worse.....she might screw it up, spell something wrong, and your transaction gets fucked up, or have to call a manager, and it takes half an hour at the store.

Now a book generally pays the $10 MG fee for $300+ deposit ( I usually do the minimum, planning to win), and might even give a bonus. If you have to send Fed-ex instead of MG, and keep it at $300, the book won't be happy paying a $35-40 fee to get it ( understandable), so no bonus for you. Maybe you don't want to send them $1,000 or more.

Everything that makes this harder for all involved will drive players away and reduce profits for the book.....basically the goal of UIGEA.

They aren't going to stop sportsbetting. All they will do is increase profits for on-shore books. People will find locals and agents.

 

[Doug]

They aren't going to stop sportsbetting. All they will do is increase profits for on-shore books. People will find locals and agents.

I agree gov't can never stop it entirely. The war on drugs failed pretty miserably, the war on gambling won't fare any better. If gambling is so bad, then why all the lotteries ?

The main things to being profitable betting on sports is having multiple outs, low vig, and the ability to move money easily.....most of that has been gone for a few years now. I can't win at -110, need Matchbook, but also need more than just MB.

Maybe I could find an agent for say Greek....big deal. That's like trying to win playing 6-5 Blackjack !

The few (US) books that survive this had better learn to transfer freely with each other. I can't withdraw from Bookmaker and send it to 5Dimes ( way too much hassle for a Gringo, now), You prick bookies in CR have to do your part in this too, and BM/CRIS does not.

Easy to walk from this now, and just wait until you books try to get the NFL fish back....it won't be pretty !

 

[Illini]

I agree gov't can never stop it entirely. The war on drugs failed pretty miserably, the war on gambling won't fare any better. If gambling is so bad, then why all the lotteries ?

The main things to being profitable betting on sports is having multiple outs, low vig, and the ability to move money easily.....most of that has been gone for a few years now. I can't win at -110, need Matchbook, but also need more than just MB.

Maybe I could find an agent for say Greek....big deal. That's like trying to win playing 6-5 Blackjack !

The few (US) books that survive this had better learn to transfer freely with each other. I can't withdraw from Bookmaker and send it to 5Dimes ( way too much hassle for a Gringo, now), You prick bookies in CR have to do your part in this too, and BM/CRIS does not.

Easy to walk from this now, and just wait until you books try to get the NFL fish back....it won't be pretty !

Wow. Sounds like your sportsbetting career is having a funeral tomorrow. Don't give up, Doug. I'll give you some cbb plays that can beat -110.

 

[Doug]

makes no difference now, one can't win much anymore without Neteller. Sportsbetting is over as a viable way to make money, much like counting cards at BJ circa 1988. the risks in sportsbooks are too high, Matchbook has to be the key one, and even they might be iffy ?

 

[bucsfan67]

i dont see how discussing what doesnt work hurts. It leads however to talk of what does work and thats what you dont want. Its a tough line to draw..

exactly......that was the whole point

And i was only doing my job......

AND i never called anyone "stupid"

 

[SportSavant]

Doug, were you a netspend user?

 

[Fishhead]

makes no difference now, one can't win much anymore without Neteller. Sportsbetting is over as a viable way to make money, much like counting cards at BJ circa 1988. the risks in sportsbooks are too high, Matchbook has to be the key one, and even they might be iffy ?

DOUG, I've had a great past two months......as good as ever.

IMPROVISE

 

[billhill999]

makes no difference now, one can't win much anymore without Neteller. Sportsbetting is over as a viable way to make money, much like counting cards at BJ circa 1988. the risks in sportsbooks are too high, Matchbook has to be the key one, and even they might be iffy ?

Sportsbetting is over because of a method of depoist is not available?
Come on Doug.

How does this topic compare to card counting?
Come on Doug, let's lose the paranoia.

 

[sean1]

I use bank wires, credit cards, and bank checks. Have never had a wire or check problem. For credit cards, look into european/canadian companies (RBS, RBC, etc) that also service the US and look at credit unions. Small credit unions (and some larger ones) clearly have not blocked their cards.

Plus books are slowly going to move to new non gambling processors... ALl will be fine

 

[SportSavant]

Doug has been taling about the sky falling for 2 years now, yet he is still here which is funny.

 

[TheDopeman]

A dumbass clerk is even worse.....she might screw it up, spell something wrong, and your transaction gets fucked up, or have to call a manager, and it takes half an hour at the store.

Now a book generally pays the $10 MG fee for $300+ deposit ( I usually do the minimum, planning to win), and might even give a bonus. If you have to send Fed-ex instead of MG, and keep it at $300, the book won't be happy paying a $35-40 fee to get it ( understandable), so no bonus for you. Maybe you don't want to send them $1,000 or more.

Everything that makes this harder for all involved will drive players away and reduce profits for the book.....basically the goal of UIGEA.

Most all of the clerks are pretty dumb but there are a few in my area who are really fast and never mess up.. The dumb ones that screw up and make a mistake on the name or names is no big deal, i'm used to it now.. All you do is call the 1-800 number for MG and give them the reference number and they will fix it for you no questions asked, takes less than 5 minutes.. Regardless of what some of you say money transfer is still a great option.. The people that run WU and MG know that alot of transactions are gambling related but they let it slide for the most part, they are making money off all us anyway.. I'm sure they see money being sent to managua from the US all the time, they know it's gambling related.. Hopefully business continues as usual, only time will tell

 

[Akillies]

dont be surprised if netspend is still an option
they had to notify customers in order to be in compliance.
most large books have processors which are not gambling related, and netspend should still work for them

 

[FearTheRaven]

the government doesn't like sports betting because they can't tax it. they want their piece of the pie.