I would be sad to see that anyone would possibly root for a book to fail like this. There are a lot of peoples hard earned money there. I hope that Royal goes on for years after me paying people. All we can do is read and listen to others and form our own opinions. I wish the best to all the players. Forum players do not make the majority of the players at Royal. Good luck everyone and as Greenhead has so well stated recently, use street smarts to the best of your ability.
Red Eye, What you are doing is reprehensible. You continue to promote Bet Royal, even though people are being stalled, STIFFED, and lied to. And quit being naive about "IF" Royal knows you post here. You say this stall you, stiff you book bailed you out a few years back did'nt you? They know who you are. And to say the reason this stiff book Bet Royal is slow paying, refusing to pay people is because they are getting blasted on the forums is BS. Listen up Red Eye, crooked books give a black eye to the off-shore industry.
What I'm doing is reprehensible ? Just because I report the truth, That they do pay me, People want to know that right, and that I like their shop, whats wrong with that. You need to look in the mirror, what your doing is irresponsible by saying that 99% of their customers are not getting paid. You don't know that and its wrong for you to say. I stand by what I say Posters like you are partly responsible because of some of the Bashing that you do, especially when you really don't know.If you document certain cases, I have no problem with you saying that and maybe that has some value, but to generalize that 99% of their players aren't getting paid, you should be kicked out of the RX until you can substantiate that. Like I said Your the Type that has been rooting for Royal to go down. You don't provide anything of value to the RX when you continually make up statements.Chuck Sims said:
THE SHRINK said:
You would figure someone who has 50K as part of their bankroll would know enough not to have that much at Betroyal? I play at Royal but I wouldn't keep a substantial amount there. Obviously they shouldn't be slow paid regardless of the amount but risk/reward says 50k is too much to have at non tier 1 book?
RED EYE said:
If I had to summarize the whole debate it would be as follows:
REDEYE is worried about himself, and that is all that matters - purely selfish and irresponsible.
CHUCK, JAY C and SHRINK are concerned about the average Joe being stiffed - purely unselfish and noble.
REDEYE: If you are so sure about Royal paying, would you like to take responsibility if anyone gets stiffed? Maybe putting something up in escrow? Doubt you will - and that proves my point.
(PS: A few months ago back Shrink was willing to back a certain sportsbook up to $1,000, so please don't say it hasn't been done)
Chuck Sims said:
Chuck, Shrink mentioned a documented slow-play, and that's a serious concern, but Royal isn't the only book to need a few weeks to pay of a larger amount ($50k in this instance)... my question for you is who is getting stiffed?
I'm not breaking your balls, I honestly want to know who has been stiffed. You made the statement so please tell us who's being stiffed so we can follow the situation.
I don't think I've ever had $50k afloat offshore at once, much less in a single book, but a large winner on a payment plan who is getting regular payouts on time is much less of a concern than a $500 guy who got outright stiffed. So please, who are the stiffees? Let's confirm that it's true, and get them all paid.
Or, if your 'stiffed' comment is bullshit, then let's continue to hold Royal's feet to the fire for what they are actually guilty of, and not make stuff up.
UT, digging for the truth.
Uber Tout said:
Seems noble of you, but why would you need to know who is getting stiffed?
If you want to know who is getting stiffed, I assume you're also going to take the time to try to make sure that person gets paid, right? Are you planning on assuming some sort of responsibility once you get the name? Or do you just want to know? I mean, I don't want to know who is getting stiffed because it doesn't matter - because even if I knew who it was, I wouldn't be able to do anything about it - nor would I have the time to help the player.
As far as SLOW PAY and STIFF is concerned, I really don't give a hoot. When a book takes your money, they should have it RIGHT NOW if you want it back. If its a payment plan, then that is fine too - but be upfront with us. Tell us that the maximum withdrawal per week is $5,000 or something.
I just love it when people want to KNOW, but don't seem to want to HELP. Now if you think you want to HELP, all you would need to do is email Shrink and ask him for the name so that you can help, and I am sure he would oblige if he sees that you are being honest about it.
Coming on the forum and asking for the name doesn't do ANYBODY any good.
Calling people dumb and selfish isn't name calling ? Chuck says that 99 % of Royal's customers are getting stiffed is being honest and telling the truth ? I guess I must be one of the 1 percent as I received my withdrawals in a timely matter. Sorry...... I guess I shouldn't be saying anything here as this is strickly for Royal bashers ! Please don't tell anyone I posted here !:lolBIG:cincy_hugg said:
THats about the most ignorant statement I have ever read in this Forum. Why would I take responsibility for other peoples money if anyone gets stiffed at Royal or any other Shop.I'll take my own responsibility whether it was Grand Central or All World a few years ago when they had there slow pays. . No one is saying to play there or not. I'm just reporting back what happens in my experience with Royal. If I rrecall some of the Mods here, Shrink and The General in particular mentioned in one Of these "Bash Royal threads " to let the Forums know when taking out withdrawls. Nothing I'm reporting has a agenda to it and NO I'm not worried about myself and If I was, what could I do to make that selfish anyway. Probably another Poster that doesn't have an account at Royal. We have heard you over and over about your warnings , enoughcincy_hugg said:
