Westbrook should be MVP - I don't see how anyone can vote otherwise

[Mobdeeper7239]

If you take both players away you are left with maybe a 20 win team in okc. And still a playoff team with houston.

Look at the rosters if you know basketball all who is left to make plays setting guys up for okc is Oladipio. Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson, Trevor Ariza, Beverley, Lou williams. Lol r u kidding? I like sam dekker too.

Vs


Oladipio, jerami Grant, norris cole, Alex Abrines, Semaj Christon


You literally have to be smoking crack to think the level of playmakers are equal.

Capella is good but not as good as Adams and Kanter. Kanter is more skilled than them all. And steven Adams is honestly nothing special. He fits the bill for that team. It's what they need but you move him elsewhere he isn't as good as the Rockets players who are all just straight ballers. Lmao it's ridiculous to even entertain the thought that these rosters are anywhere close

 

[halekulani]

the mvp was never about how many wins your team would have if you were not on the team

criteria has always been best player on one of the best teams with few exceptions. they don't hand out mvps to 7th and 8th seeded teams. there's a clear historical precedence that has been set. not sure why this is argued. 2005-2006 kobe bryant had willed kwame brown and smush parker to the playoffs, but he lost in the mvp race to steve nash. this was not a surprise. people still insist on using the "what if he weren't on the team argument" which is dumb b/c that was never a criteria for MVP in the first place.

if you want to use WARP-like stats, lebron would still beat russell.

• WINS: "RPM Wins" provide an estimate of the number of wins each player has contributed to his team's win total on the season. RPM Wins include the player's Real Plus-Minus and his number of possessions played.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/WINS

 

[Mobdeeper7239]

the mvp was never about how many wins your team would have if you were not on the team

criteria has always been best player on one of the best teams with few exceptions. they don't hand out mvps to 7th and 8th seeded teams. there's a clear historical precedence that has been set. not sure why this is argued. 2005-2006 kobe bryant had willed kwame brown and smush parker to the playoffs, but he lost in the mvp race to steve nash. this was not a surprise. people still insist on using the "what if he weren't on the team argument" which is dumb b/c that was never a criteria for MVP in the first place.

if you want to use WARP-like stats, lebron would still beat russell.

• WINS: "RPM Wins" provide an estimate of the number of wins each player has contributed to his team's win total on the season. RPM Wins include the player's Real Plus-Minus and his number of possessions played.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/WINS

What are you talking about? Have you watched any espn lately? All I heard was harden this harden that because his team is better. That was the reason. And because hardens stats are only a little bit worse than westbrooks

Because houston beat them three out of four. That's why


These are the guys who have the say too

 

[halekulani]

yeah
they're talking about harden because the rockets are in 3rd place with 51 wins only behind GSW and SAS

i'm not sure what the confusion is

best player on one of the best teams

sorry, okc aint gonna cut it at 6th in the west, and 9th overall

 

[PatsFan1283]

I guess if you wanna say a criteria has been established then you have a point based on historical precedent. I just think that precedent isn't as strong as you do. Mike Trout in baseball last year won MVP on a 74-88 team, that would be way less likely to happen even 10 years ago. This stuff isn't set in stone, we're measuring player performance in new ways all the time. Do wins and RBI's still mean much? Does just PPG with no context? Just because we did something forever doesn't mean it is correct.

I always thought LeBron or Kobe should've won over Nash in '06 so if there is a correction in assessing it more purely based on performance then that is better IMO.

Can't say I'd care who wins much either way unless I had a bet on it though. I just think if they switch teams it is more likely OKC is worse, I don't really think Houston would be much better since Harden is really good in that role but I do think he would struggle a lot more without the benefit of all the spacing he has.

re the RPM, it is relevant info but even with that, I think if you took LeBron off the Cavs they would struggle a lot less than Russ off OKC since they atleast have other shot creators. OKC is a team with a defensive identity and 1 guy doing all the heavy lifting on offense.

 

[halekulani]

there are exceptions but very few

and mike trout, lol
nba aint mlb. and if that's the best exception you can find in recent history, please try to find a more relevant example in the nba's previous mvp winners. when was the last nba mvp that wasn't on a top 4 team in their conference?

 

[PatsFan1283]

I get your point, but what I'm saying is Russ would just be an exception. I don't think the rule is as hard and fast as you do. I said that '06 year I thought LeBron or Kobe should've won. Most years it's probably gonna be a guy on a top 3 conf team but I don't think it has to be a stone cold lock.

It's just subjective how you define MVP I guess. Like I said on the previous page, I think some of the reason they do that is because of all the airwave discussion it drives.

This is how I define it: If you had to play the regular season based on the way these guys played this season and you did a draft to draft a team based on what we've seen, I'd take Russ #1. Not by a wide margin or anything but still would go with him.

 

[Soriano12]

That sounds extremely low :think2:

Might think that was a bit low, but October 22nd "Westbrook to win reg season MVP" was @4.47, so +347 in american odds at pinnacle.

If you took a look at Westbrooks numbers with Durant out during his time @OKC, you could already see that he was averaging a triple double. No real playmakers other than him, LeBron getting more & more breaks, GSW having an abundance of options with KD, Curry, Thompson & Green and even SAS having at least Kahwi & Aldrdige, it lined up pretty nicely to make him the clear favorite heading into the season though.

 

[Soriano12]

please try to find a more relevant example in the nba's previous mvp winners. when was the last nba mvp that wasn't on a top 4 team in their conference?

You make a valid point that the teams record always played a huge role in the MVP voting for NBA. But at the same time when you ask for precedent in seasons past, there also is no precedent for a player with stats like Westbrook being snubbed: Usually it was players that scored a lot but were subpar/mediocre or slightly above avg at best in most other offensive categories like rebounds and/or assists. So there isn't really that much history to lean on, when it comes to this MVP race.

 

[Mr_Mark]

Lebron and Curry will probably have a some votes in as well. Any chance Leonard gets some love?

 

[bigwang]

It's just amazing that up until the last year or two it was almost a no-brainer Kevin Durant was the best player in OKC thru the years.

Now it appears that wasnt the case...

Both guys outstanding players but Durant is a better player than Russ.

Lebron is the mvp this season. He is the best player in game and could put up the same numbers as Russ and Harden if he wanted to.

 

[festeringZit]

Both guys outstanding players but Durant is a better player than Russ.

Lebron is the mvp this season. He is the best player in game and could put up the same numbers as Russ and Harden if he wanted to.

LeBitch isn't even in the conversation.

 

[bigwang]

And I highly doubt you are a **** so for me James isn't a bitch. He has lived up to the hype from a hs player to pro. Not a Lebron fan but I give the greats their respect.

 

[Fridayzz]

I completely agree Russ is the most valuable player to his team. I hope that plus breaking the triple double record will be enough to get him past Harden.

 

[HarryCaray]

Both guys outstanding players but Durant is a better player than Russ.

Lebron is the mvp this season. He is the best player in game and could put up the same numbers as Russ and Harden if he wanted to.

This is a joke, right?

 

[festeringZit]

This is a joke, right?

"he could ... if he wanted to"

Heh heh

 

[halekulani]

lebron already plays like 40min+ a night and is 32 yrs old. he aint getting 30+ trip dubs

 

[Willie99]

after the C's win it all, IT will be considered MVP

 

[festeringZit]

after the C's win it all, IT will be considered MVP

Wouldn't that be nice...

 

[festeringZit]

I'll say it.

I think Westbrook is the best player in the NBA right now. Better than LeBitch, better than Durant, better than Harden.