West Coast/Pac-10 Week 03

[Conan]

YTD 6-7 (46%) -2 units

I just bet these at thegreek as soon as I saw them.
These are all 1 unit plays. I removed the $$$ and wrote in the opponent's name myself.

I want to wait for totals before I do anything else.

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="98%"><tbody> <tr bgcolor="#99cccc"> <td colspan="4" width="100%">[FONT=Verdana, Arial] 1. Football - Utah - spread +4 (-110) Oregon
for the entire game held on Sep 19 at 2:30pm [pending] [/FONT]</td></tr> <tr colspan="4" bgcolor="#000000"><td>
</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#99cccc"> <td colspan="4" width="100%">[FONT=Verdana, Arial] 1. Football - Washington - spread +21 (-110) USC
for the entire game held on Sep 19 at 2:30pm [pending] [/FONT]</td></tr> <tr colspan="4" bgcolor="#000000"><td>
</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#99cccc"> <td colspan="4" width="100%">[FONT=Verdana, Arial] 1. Football - SMU - spread -4½ (-110) WSU
for the entire game held on Sep 19 at 4:00pm [pending] [/FONT]</td></tr> <tr colspan="4" bgcolor="#000000"><td>
</td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#99cccc"> <td colspan="4" width="100%">[FONT=Verdana, Arial] 1. Football - Oregon State - spread -1½ (-110) Cincinnati
for the entire game held on Sep 19 at 5:45pm [pending] [/FONT]</td></tr></tbody></table>

 

[whateva]

that oregon game has a funny line. game should be even or utah giving. gut feeling oregon offense gonna roll in this game. don't know if utah gonna keep up.

 

[tread]

Hi Conan,
Are you playing against UC because of the travel or do you truly think OregSt outmans them straight up? I loved Oregon St last year, but their history for slow Septs mixed in with their lack of depth at WR and line questions lead me to lean UC on this one. I dont think OregSt has the secondary to cover all the talent UC has at receiver (and they use the TE alot). To me, this game comes down to whether or not UC can handle the travel or not (and very frequently ET timezone teams do not).

 

[Conan]

that oregon game has a funny line. game should be even or utah giving. gut feeling oregon offense gonna roll in this game. don't know if utah gonna keep up.

Utah>Purdue just for starters

 

[kgbronco]

Hi Conan,
Are you playing against UC because of the travel or do you truly think OregSt outmans them straight up? I loved Oregon St last year, but their history for slow Septs mixed in with their lack of depth at WR and line questions lead me to lean UC on this one. I dont think OregSt has the secondary to cover all the talent UC has at receiver (and they use the TE alot). To me, this game comes down to whether or not UC can handle the travel or not (and very frequently ET timezone teams do not).

I had similar thoughts, and am leaning more toward UC as well. I might just bet the over.

 

[Conan]

Hi Conan,
Are you playing against UC because of the travel or do you truly think OregSt outmans them straight up? I loved Oregon St last year, but their history for slow Septs mixed in with their lack of depth at WR and line questions lead me to lean UC on this one. I dont think OregSt has the secondary to cover all the talent UC has at receiver (and they use the TE alot). To me, this game comes down to whether or not UC can handle the travel or not (and very frequently ET timezone teams do not).

A few games into the year already. You should have seen Quizz and Quan last week. 350 all purpose yards or more between them. They carry the load well. Beavers are at home. I don't think they've lost an OOC home game for something like 6 or 7 years or even longer than that.

 

[Conan]

About the Utah play. This is still a very tough team. Wittingham is a very good coach on the sidelines. I got the impression watching Kelly on the sidelines that he is not comfortable in his own skin yet in his new capacity. He looked very distracted a lot of the time he was on camera. Just my opinion there but maybe I'm onto something.

Also, Masoli looked intense as if he was trying too hard. The players around him are not entirely in sync. Oregon is also breaking in a new RB they shifted over from LB. They are very thin at the RB position and they are a team who's offense is centered around the rushing game. That doesn't add up right to me. Not now, not for a while. They often prove me wrong no matter which way I see it but I think I have some pretty good reasons to go on to fade them here.

Purdue should have yielded like a hot knife through butter but it was a nip and tuck game. Oregon was fortunate to come away with a win. Now Utah? Purdue isn't even in Utah's class. The Utes are a much better opponent. Perhaps a ML wager might even make some sense but I like the 4 because in a close game, I probably won't do any worse than a push even if the Ducks prevail... but I'm not so sure they will even manage to do that.

 

[Gravy]

Conan,First off I enjoy reading your thread on the west coast games every week.I wanted to ask you about the Cincy Vs Oregon St game because I could see a high scoring shootout there in Corvallis on Saturday.Cincy is firing on all cylinders so far this year but there Defense is still a big question mark because they really havent played a good offensive team yet to get tested and think they will get one from the Beavers this week.

Thanks in advance for your comments and keep up the good work !

 

[BigPIG19]

Utah>Purdue just for starters

The great thing is that last week doesn't equal this week.

Oregon 41
Utah 28

 

[Conan]

The great thing is that last week doesn't equal this week.

Oregon 41
Utah 28

The great thing is that last year doesn't equal this year.
I can see why you would say that.

Utah 31
Alabama 17

But in a way, it could anyway.

 

[BigPIG19]

The great thing is that last year doesn't equal this year.
I can see why you would say that.

Utah 31
Alabama 17

But in a way, it could anyway.

you are way to experienced to actually think that a game played last week actually matters this week. Come on now, that is an amatuer thought process that will get your pockets crushed. By the way, little confused as to the parallel between Bama/Utah and Oregon/Utah. I can promise that Bama REALLY cared about playing Utah in a bowl game when they were 12 minutes from palying for the NC. Just a simple case of letdown/lack of caring situation, so I am trying to draw the parallel b/t the two situations. please explain

 

[Conan]

you are way to experienced to actually think that a game played last week actually matters this week. Come on now, that is an amatuer thought process that will get your pockets crushed. By the way, little confused as to the parallel between Bama/Utah and Oregon/Utah. I can promise that Bama REALLY cared about playing Utah in a bowl game when they were 12 minutes from palying for the NC. Just a simple case of letdown/lack of caring situation, so I am trying to draw the parallel b/t the two situations. please explain

You think too linear. It is you that figured I was connecting one week to the next. I was comparing opposition and the fact that Utah replaces Brian Johnson with a very promising newcomer. Oregon has not been in sync and they just brought in another new RB who they will be depending on more and more. Andre Crenshaw can't get the job done. He's a Sr. and he has hardly played in his career. What does that suggest? In Utah's case, you don't go from 13-0 to a poor team. Purdue is a poor team. Oregon has not played well yet this year. Utah has.

But I'm sure you are just as ignorant of that as your shitty Bama 2-time losers were when they played them and lost last year. Why should they care when the SUC is so good? They never lose to anyone because they are elite. (amazing sometimes the shit you guys live on and the hot air you belch out for people to know you by)

But like you say, next week is different from last week. Is that all you have to go on? You can't even accept that the better team won the Sugar Bowl and that's why you can't accept that Utah was the better team and probably still is. Go play with your SUC conference and leave these threads to people that have more than which week of the the season it is to handicap their plays with.

I'd like to hear more SUC excuses please but no more in this thread.

 

[BigPIG19]

You think too linear. It is you that figured I was connecting one week to the next. I was comparing opposition and the fact that Utah replaces Brian Johnson with a very promising newcomer. Oregon has not been in sync and they just brought in another new RB who they will be depending on more and more. Andre Crenshaw can't get the job done. He's a Sr. and he has hardly played in his career. What does that suggest? In Utah's case, you don't go from 13-0 to a poor team. Purdue is a poor team. Oregon has not played well yet this year. Utah has.

But like you say, next week is different from last week. Is that all you have to go on? You can't even accept that the better team won the Sugar Bowl and that's why you can't accept that Utah was the better team and probably still is. Go play with your SUC conference and leave these threads to people that have more than which week of the the season it is to handicap their plays with.

I'd like to hear more SUC excuses please but no more in this thread.[/quote]


i guess 4 NC in 6 years gets you dubbed the SUC. I wansnt trying to get into the which conference is better (not that it is even a contest). You brought this into the equation. I love how the jealous pac-10 fans keep wanting to lose this argument. I said nothing about conferences, but we can debate. The debate is over. you lose. I knocked you out quicker than todd dufee. best of luck with your utah pick.

 

[Conan]

i guess 4 NC in 6 years gets you dubbed the SUC. I wasn't trying to get into the which conference is better (not that it is even a contest). You brought this into the equation. I love how the jealous pac-10 fans keep wanting to lose this argument. I said nothing about conferences, but we can debate. The debate is over. you lose. I knocked you out quicker than todd dufee. best of luck with your utah pick.

Fantasy football? Or just more SUC fantasy?

Fuk 4 NC's, you have one good team, maybe 2 in any given year. The BCS gifted you 2 of the NC's with an OSU team that didn't belong in either NC game they played in. Your SUC can't even beat the 7 dwarves of the Pac-10. 8-11 in the last 10 years vs the Pac-10. Ooooo how elite you must be! Everyone but your #1 blows.

That isn't being elite, it's being a bunch of bipolar head case teams that underachieve on a roller coaster most years. With all the talent you have in that conference, you should NEVER lose a BCS bowl game or any OOC game, and I'm not talking about the 4 patsies you chickenshits play every season to avoid embarrassments like the one Utah gave you... again.

What a fukking waste of a conference to take talent like that and send them to the NFL after losing their ass to almost anyone from anywhere but the south. Now run along and go watch some TV commentator tell you that you are the greatest and quit whining about every time you fucked up a game in this thread, pretending that one team equals the conference every year. Lately it's been Florida and the 11 dwarves. Who's next?

You are weird, stupid, full of yourself and a pitiful whiner. And a broken record too that can't hear the truth, but would rather ignore it and tell everyone only what you want them to hear. You can't handle the truth because the whole truth is too painful for you to take.

So take solace in the fact that one of you is gifted a NC half of the time and the rest of the time, everyone but your #1 sucks when they play the rest of CFB. That's what a conference is, not just one team per year --- unless you LIKE being called Florida and the 11 dwarves. LSU beat the last place team in the Pac-10 last season but they were outplayed and gave up 500 yards to them a week ago. And you call them elite? You're fucking nuts.

When you prove you can beat someone besides Chattanooga or Furman, I will at least be able to accept your conference on the whole as a legitimate contender in the national picture where everyone plays everyone else. Until that day comes, you will just have to live down the Utah's of this world that prove how bad the rest of your conference really is on the playing field.

Utah beat you. Get over it.

 

[BigPIG19]

Fantasy football? Or just more SUC fantasy?

Fuk 4 NC's, you have one good team, maybe 2 in any given year. The BCS gifted you 2 of the NC's with an OSU team that didn't belong in either NC game they played in. Your SUC can't even beat the 7 dwarves of the Pac-10. 8-11 in the last 10 years vs the Pac-10. Ooooo how elite you must be! Everyone but your #1 blows.

That isn't being elite, it's being a bunch of bipolar head case teams that underachieve on a roller coaster most years. With all the talent you have in that conference, you should NEVER lose a BCS bowl game or any OOC game, and I'm not talking about the 4 patsies you chickenshits play every season to avoid embarrassments like the one Utah gave you... again.

What a fukking waste of a conference to take talent like that and send them to the NFL after losing their ass to almost anyone from anywhere but the south. Now run along and go watch some TV commentator tell you that you are the greatest and quit whining about every time you fucked up a game in this thread, pretending that one team equals the conference every year. Lately it's been Florida and the 11 dwarves. Who's next?

You are weird, stupid, full of yourself and a pitiful whiner. And a broken record too that can't hear the truth, but would rather ignore it and tell everyone only what you want them to hear. You can't handle the truth because the whole truth is too painful for you to take.

So take solace in the fact that one of you is gifted a NC half of the time and the rest of the time, everyone but your #1 sucks when they play the rest of CFB. That's what a conference is, not just one team per year --- unless you LIKE being called Florida and the 11 dwarves. LSU beat the last place team in the Pac-10 last season but they were outplayed and gave up 500 yards to them a week ago. And you call them elite? You're fucking nuts.

When you prove you can beat someone besides Chattanooga or Furman, I will at least be able to accept your conference on the whole as a legitimate contender in the national picture where everyone plays everyone else. Until that day comes, you will just have to live down the Utah's of this world that prove how bad the rest of your conference really is on the playing field.

Utah beat you. Get over it.[/quote]

in case you shitty memory has left you. my argument had nothing to do with the fact that Utah beat Alabama. I got over that loss about 3 seconds after the game ended, because I saw it coming from a mile away. I only read the last two sentences of this post, because the rest of it is what 11th grade English teachers call "fluff." I am assuming you wrapped up this babble in the last two sentences, and I am still confused why you keep bringing this up. It has nothing to do with the Utah/Oregon game. I am done bickering back and forth. You acknowledged my point about two posts ago (again you memory reference) when you stated that last week has nothing to do with this week. Good riddance. I bid you adieu

 

[Conan]

Blah blah blah.... and blah blah blah

Good riddance. I bid you adieu

Getting over losing to Utah and going into denial over it are not the same thing.
The better team won that day and you have nothing but excuses to say about it.
Your SEC is the SUC because they have assholes for fans that are in denial of the truth.

If nothing else, I hope you are at least good for your word.

 

[Conan]

And even though it's plain as day to everyone else, I brought it up because your opinion of Utah is tainted by your SUC attitude. You try to convince people that you are over it, when you are clearly in denial:

Your excuse:

"I can promise that Bama REALLY cared about playing Utah in a bowl game when they were 12 minutes from palying for the NC. Just a simple case of letdown/lack of caring situation." said the classless SUC moron.

You won't see the point which is how good Utah is. If it wasn't for your thick headed denial of that simple fact, none of this explanation about your full of shit SUC attitude and mental state would have been necessary.

I hope that clarifies it well enough but if not, most people can see my point, which will do, which is to discredit where the negative Utah shit is coming from. Outside of that, I'm done with you because some people never learn.

I'm an Oregon fan. I wouldn't mind being wrong. But that is irrelevant to the game at hand.

 

[Conan]

Conan,First off I enjoy reading your thread on the west coast games every week.I wanted to ask you about the Cincy Vs Oregon St game because I could see a high scoring shootout there in Corvallis on Saturday.Cincy is firing on all cylinders so far this year but there Defense is still a big question mark because they really havent played a good offensive team yet to get tested and think they will get one from the Beavers this week.

Thanks in advance for your comments and keep up the good work !

Thanks for the comments Gravy. I didn't mean to ignore you but I had a little janitorial work to take care of. Some condescending little boy from down south left a pile of BS to clean up in my thread.

About Oregon St's offense and Cincy's defense. I should refer back to some of my season's annuals and maye look at a few conference rundowns to get a better idea of Cincy's defense but I will say this much, they had better have a ton of speed that eeither stuff the middle and can also get to the outside because what Quizz Rogers brings to the center of the field and what his brother James brings to the outside are usually way too much for any defense to focus on. It takes fast reactions and a lot of speed to shut down at least one of them consistently. Not many teams can do that.

So whatever you know about Cincy's rushing defense will go a long way to understand the possibilities here. As I pointed out, Oregon St. hasn't lost to anyone outside the Pac-10 at Reser for a very long time. I think their OOC winning streak at home is something like 17 straight games. They are a completely different team at home.... just look at what they have done to USC there the last couple of times the Trojans played them. But it goes way beyond just USC. In this case it's more than that, and it's also a revenge issue.

 

[EveryGamblersDream]

I love Oregon in this spot. I think the line tells the story in this one as Oregon should not be laying points in this spot but they are. I can't fathom that strictly coming from them playing at home. I would say this has rout written all over it but with that defense, I won't get ahead of myself.

 

[Conan]

I love Oregon in this spot. I think the line tells the story in this one as Oregon should not be laying points in this spot but they are. I can't fathom that strictly coming from them playing at home. I would say this has rout written all over it but with that defense, I won't get ahead of myself.

EGD, I keep getting the feeling that a lot of this Oregon love is based purely on the Ducks "snapping back" or snapping out of 2 straight ATS losses in a row to open the year.

Just wondering, did you see any of the Purdue game last week? IMHO what I saw was a team that hasn't found itself yet under Kelly, for whatever reasons one might speculate. Purdue is marked to finish this year in the bottom half of the Big-10.

As I had already mentioned, Oregon just lost their last 1000 yard rusher from last season (there were 2,) and they are literally in the process of rebuilding their backfield -- not reloading. Now they are laying 4 vs Utah. What am I missing?

Their defense has long been a bone of contention for me. I am definitely not a fan of Nick "Bend Don't Break" Alliotti who seems like he's been there "bending" for the last 20 years. Meanwhile (just to make a point) Boise St.'s defense has been getting props from all over the place. To rub it in further, Boise replaced 7 on their DL this season and their DC Justin Wilcox played for the Ducks when he was in college. He was the guy most responsible for Oregon going an entire half without a first down. Maybe one day I will get my wish and see Alliotti replaced with a guy like him, or maybe even him.