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There was some discussion last week about what ever happened to defenses and in general the answer is the spread offense especially one with a talented QB. Then we had a couple of games that really raise some eyebrows.

Look at Florida at Georgia. Yes between the hedges. Florida rushed for 418 yds (7 ypc) against a Georgia defense that including that game still has on average allowed 144.2 ypg. We also talked about QB’s who are difference makes vs. game managers. Georgia QB Hutson Mason is ranked #100 in total offense (individual ranking). Not a difference maker for sure. Meanwhile Florida is ranked #111 in passing offense. So what should Georgia be prepared for, yes you got it, defending the run. That would be on new DC Jeremy Pruitt who replaced Todd Grantham who was more or less run out of town.

By the same token the spread is pro-rush. You spread the field and there are bigger gaps etc. Florida is now the #36 ranked rushing offense and that game got their average up to 205 ypg. All Pruitt had to do was stop the run, he failed miserably. Yes I put that one on the DC.

I do think the Florida players rose to the occasion knowing the HC was on the chopping block. But give them credit for doing so between the hedges with the whole world watching on national TV. But did this save Muschamp’s job. Where have these players been until last week. Will they use that game as a building block and even so will that be enough to save Muschamp’s job. They should finish out the season 3-1 and who knows will they keep rising going into that season finale against Florida St and knock the Noles off their perch. Now that would save his job. So either the effort against Georgia was a fluke or they are on their way back. They should be as hungry as a team could be considering the negative attention they and their HC have been getting since the season began. Yes Jeff Diskell watched that one just like you and me proving the antitheses of the theory that a player can only be a difference make “on the field”.

Oh by the way, Florida St ranks #99 in rushing defense. Hmmmm.
 

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I guess I should follow up by saying it is very likely that the win over Georgia could be too little too late. Right now I am a Florida fan no matter for the rest of the season. Why. They could knock off Florida St and make my day. Up to now Florida St has won two games by 6 points, one by 4 points, and trailed Louisville by 14 at half time. They can be had.

As it stands Florida lost to Kentucky in OT, LSU by 3 points and lost to Mizzou despite outgaining them and turning it over 6 times. The talent is there. Maybe Treon Harris will improve from week to week. He only had to throw 6 times against Georgia so who knows. But right now Florida is probably the only hope to knock off the Noles.

All the incentives are there especially if they were to run the table, knock off Florida St, and win their bowl game. Save your coaches job, or at least buy him another year. Attract in state recruits and maybe an in state or out of state highly rated QB. Second year in OC Roper’s system and many more. Just the pride involved in finally putting it all together is a big motivator.

I am not a Florida St hatre and it was not that long ago I was labeled a Florida hater. I simply want Florida St to lose at least one game. I also want Miss St to lose. Why. I want this new CFB playoff committee to sweat bb’s picking the final four (which should be 8). But….that is just me.
 

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Please; Jax is not between the hedges...
 

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Please; Jax is not between the hedges...

Sorry it was in Jax. Regardless, Georgia sucked. They should be hiding behind the hedges when they get home lol.
 

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The new AP top 25 has 2 unbeaten teams (Miss St & Florida St), 17 teams with 1 loss and 6 teams with 2 losses.

Teams who have fallen from the AP preseason AP top 25 ( S Car, Stan, USC, Texas A&M, N Carolina, Mizzou, and Washington are a combined 27-27 ATS (43%). If you leave out USC they are 21-33 ATS (39%)

Teams who were not in the AP preseason AP top 25 and replaced them (Miss St, TCU, Utah, Arizona, Duke, Marshall, and West Virginia are a combined 42-22 ATS (66%). If you leave out Arizona they are 39-17 ATS (70%).

Duke, Georgia So, and UTEP are 4-0 ATS at home.

Cal, La Tech, New Mexico , Nebraska, New Mexico, Rice, Syracuse, Texas St, Utah and Vandy all have not yet lost ATS on the road.

San Diego St has gone under in every game so far this season.
 

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That game did not save Muschamp's job. I think it was firmly decided after the Missouri loss that he was done (it SHOULD have been decided after last year's loss to Georgia Southern). He could possibly win out and/or lose to FSU and go 7-4 or 6-5 and still not save his job. He made his bed by sticking with Driskel. Muschamp's stubborness was/is his undoing. Not many Gator fans want to see him return. But the UGA win was a big one. Many think FSU is Florida's biggest rival....but it's without a doubt UGA. Beating them, especially when they had a lot on the line is sweet. But that won't be enough to save Muschamp's job.

It's funny reading the AJC.com quotes after all of the FL/GA articles. So many fans want to run off Richt. Richt is essentially Bob Stoops without an NC. They both do just enough/win just enough that they will never lose their job.

How has this mediocre Missouri team continued to hang on? I read that if Mizzouri wins out they'll have 7 wins and those 7 teams currently have a combined SEC record of 10-29. They'll get CRUSHED in the SECCG. And on that note, how the hell did they lose to Indiana?
 

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That game did not save Muschamp's job. I think it was firmly decided after the Missouri loss that he was done (it SHOULD have been decided after last year's loss to Georgia Southern). He could possibly win out and/or lose to FSU and go 7-4 or 6-5 and still not save his job. He made his bed by sticking with Driskel. Muschamp's stubborness was/is his undoing. Not many Gator fans want to see him return. But the UGA win was a big one. Many think FSU is Florida's biggest rival....but it's without a doubt UGA. Beating them, especially when they had a lot on the line is sweet. But that won't be enough to save Muschamp's job.

It's funny reading the AJC.com quotes after all of the FL/GA articles. So many fans want to run off Richt. Richt is essentially Bob Stoops without an NC. They both do just enough/win just enough that they will never lose their job.

How has this mediocre Missouri team continued to hang on? I read that if Mizzouri wins out they'll have 7 wins and those 7 teams currently have a combined SEC record of 10-29. They'll get CRUSHED in the SECCG. And on that note, how the hell did they lose to Indiana?
I agree. One game doesn't cut it after the damage has already been done. Mack Brown is a good example. He beat OU last year, but it wasn't enough to save his job. It's all about living up to expectations for the season. With the starters and talent they had returning, Florida should have been much better this season. I do know one thing, Muschamp will make a hell of a DC for some school.
 
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The funny thing is that if Muschamp never went to Florida, he'd be the head coach of Texas right now.

I dont see how Muschamp remains the head coach after this season. I know many alumni down here and they hate him. They want the Miss St coach (cant remember name right now) since he was former DC under Urban.

Funny how a few yrs ago, there were 2 really good high school qb's from Orlando. Driskell was highly rated, a 5 star recruit and went to the gators. An unknown Blake Bortles, a 2 star recruit, went to a school 5 min from his house.

Regarding if FSU will have a loss, they do play at Miami in 2 weeks. The canes are playing ALOT better but there may be more FSU fans than canes fans there. The orange bowl had that "intimidation factor". This new stadium doesnt at all.

Even though i knew the gators would run alot vs UGA and even though i knew UGA has trouble stopping the run, i'm the idiot who played UGA on the money line. SMH!!!!
 

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Russ, frankly, I think Miami gives the Noles all they want and then some, but I agree, they're gonna get a nick before it's all said and done.

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Muschamp sticking with Driskell probably did seal the deal. They not only play Miami they play at Miami. By the way Florida St is 0-4 ATS at home and 4-0 ATS on the road.

I still say that the recruiting rankings are off as much as they are on. Bortles being a 2* and Driskell a 5* tells you all you need to know.

The Noles still have to play Virginia, Miami, B College, and Florida. All those teams have some fight and definitely the motivation to give their best shot at the Noles. What if they lost their last 4 games.....naw not happening but you can dream.

I doubt they would retain Muschamp and I figured the insiders know the real deal. I am not sure the Georgia game is enough to completely blot out the Mizzou game.

As far as Texas goes, Muschamp would have probably made the transition better since he was already involved in the program. No excuses though, 4 years is plenty of time. He did go 11-2 in 2012 but it has been downhill ever since.

Miami has the week off prior to the Florida St game and it is at home. Plenty of incentive.
 

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I'm sure the Westgate has a line on that Miami game. Anyone know how to tap that info? I'd like to see it if anyone does. I watched Miami steamroll UNC on Saturday, yeah, I know, UNC, but their O was absolutely shut down, and they have one of the best in the ACC. That running back for Miami, Dukes I think, ran roughshod over the Heels. I'm telling ya, the Noles are not gonna have any fun in Miami, regardless of the venue.

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The FSU/Miami game will be a primetime 8pm game. The game is in Miami but the canes wont have any homefield advantage considering the crowd will be 50/50 or at best 60/40. There are many FSU players from south florida. I miss those 15 round heavyweight battles from 20+ years ago!!
 

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Don't get me wrong, Kaaya is gonna have to have the game of his life, but he's showed a lot of composure the past few weeks, and with Duke running like a train, I give them a damn good chance....hell, Winston-Salem might steal another set of crab legs in the next 12 days, never know. "As The World Turns......" to be cont'd.

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Looking forward to the Baylor/Oklahoma game. Been going over some stats most of which I will touch on later on. But I thought these were kind of interesting.

Baylor has lost 1 game by 14 points to a team OU beat by 12 and that Alabama beat by 10. OU has lost two games by a combined total of 5 points.

Baylor opened the season by beating SMU, NW State, and Buffalo by a combined 178-28. At that time their pt diff was +28.5 ppg. Since then their pt diff has dropped to 15.6 ppg. They gave up 28 total pts to those three teams and now they are giving up 29.4 to the teams they have played since.

WV ranks #107 in Red Zone Defense.

OU rushed for 510 yds against Iowa St finally unleashing QB Knight who rushed for 146 yds. So the Baylor defense will have to make some adjustments. Baylor rushed for 244 yds in their game against Iowa St.

Following the game this week OU still has to play Texas Tech, Kansas, and Oklahoma St. OU has an off week before their finale with Oklahoma St

This is a circle game from hell for OU was lost to Baylor 12-41 at Baylor LY. By the way Blake Bell was the OU QB in last years matchup.

Following the game this week Baylor still has to play Oklahoma St, Texas Tech, and Kansas St.
 

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The funny thing is that if Muschamp never went to Florida, he'd be the head coach of Texas right now.

I dont see how Muschamp remains the head coach after this season. I know many alumni down here and they hate him. They want the Miss St coach (cant remember name right now) since he was former DC under Urban.

Funny how a few yrs ago, there were 2 really good high school qb's from Orlando. Driskell was highly rated, a 5 star recruit and went to the gators. An unknown Blake Bortles, a 2 star recruit, went to a school 5 min from his house.

Regarding if FSU will have a loss, they do play at Miami in 2 weeks. The canes are playing ALOT better but there may be more FSU fans than canes fans there. The orange bowl had that "intimidation factor". This new stadium doesnt at all.

Even though i knew the gators would run alot vs UGA and even though i knew UGA has trouble stopping the run, i'm the idiot who played UGA on the money line. SMH!!!!

You're referring to Dan Mullen. He was the OC....not the DC under Meyer (that was Charlie Strong and Greg Mattison).

And you're wrong. "Most" Gator fans DO NOT want Mullen. He was mediocre (won with Tebow & Harvin....how hard is that for an OC?). He was literally on the HOT SEAT at Miss State just 2 years ago when he lost to Ole Miss and Hugh Freeze in Freeze's first season. Most Gator fans I know would rather have Freeze. Look at Mullen's record since he's been there. This is his first good season.

I'm not sure who UF goes after, but I imagine it's an established coach (as they've hired two non-established assistant coaches: Zook & Muschamp, and they were both duds).
 

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Okla is going to win by 7 or more. Baylor's defense is weak against good running teams.
 

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Okla is going to win by 7 or more. Baylor's defense is weak against good running teams.

That's some funny shit. OU ranks 24th in the country running, 10 ypg less than Baylor. Baylor ranks 8th in the country against the run, allowing just under a hun. Good grief.

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I disagree, NG. Baylor's run defense is the best part of their defense. They've faced a pretty weak schedule of run offenses this year, though. Against the only truly good run offense they've faced, TCU's, BAY had one of their best games defending the run, so I don't see any reason to think that BAY's run defense is a weakness. It's their pass defense that is fairly mediocre, with their worst performance actually coming in that blowout of Kansas last week. Kansas had a much better day passing the ball than they usually do (though I do not know how long the defensive starters stayed in, or with what intensity they were playing with given the early blowout of the game). BAY's passing offense has struggled against the best pass defenses they've faced, TEX and WVU, which doesn't bode well in this match-up. Other than the game against WVU, BAY's run offense has shown the ability to run the ball against pretty good run defenses. OKLA's run defense is pretty good too. This game looks to be a repeat of BAY's trip to Morgantown, with OKLA winning by 10-13 points.
 

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That's some funny shit. OU ranks 24th in the country running, 10 ypg less than Baylor. Baylor ranks 8th in the country against the run, allowing just under a hun. Good grief.

~T~

You do realize that OU finally let the QB run last week and that opened up the attack to the tune of 500+ yds rushing. Look at post #14. You have to weed out stats and put them in perspective, something the general public does not do.
 

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I disagree, NG. Baylor's run defense is the best part of their defense. They've faced a pretty weak schedule of run offenses this year, though. Against the only truly good run offense they've faced, TCU's, BAY had one of their best games defending the run, so I don't see any reason to think that BAY's run defense is a weakness. It's their pass defense that is fairly mediocre, with their worst performance actually coming in that blowout of Kansas last week. Kansas had a much better day passing the ball than they usually do (though I do not know how long the defensive starters stayed in, or with what intensity they were playing with given the early blowout of the game). BAY's passing offense has struggled against the best pass defenses they've faced, TEX and WVU, which doesn't bode well in this match-up. Other than the game against WVU, BAY's run offense has shown the ability to run the ball against pretty good run defenses. OKLA's run defense is pretty good too. This game looks to be a repeat of BAY's trip to Morgantown, with OKLA winning by 10-13 points.

And this is a circle game for OU who got embarrassed last year at Baylor. Plenty of motivation and plenty of positives coming off the win at Iowa St.
 

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