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The devil will be in the details but it's about time someone learned the meaning of the word COMPROMISE

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White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

Obama official says government insurance plan not essential to health care overhaul


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<!-- ./end of article hd --> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Bowing to Republican pressure and an uneasy public, President Barack Obama's administration signaled Sunday it is ready to abandon the idea of giving Americans the option of government-run insurance as part of a new health care system.
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<!-- Article Related Media --> Facing mounting opposition to the overhaul, administration officials left open the chance for a compromise with Republicans that would include health insurance cooperatives instead of a government-run plan. Such a concession probably would enrage Obama's liberal supporters but could deliver a much-needed victory on a top domestic priority opposed by GOP lawmakers.
Officials from both political parties reached across the aisle in an effort to find compromises on proposals they left behind when they returned to their districts for an August recess. Obama had wanted the government to run a health insurance organization to help cover the nation's almost 50 million uninsured, but didn't include it as one of his core principles of reform.
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said that government alternative to private health insurance is "not the essential element" of the administration's health care overhaul. The White House would be open to co-ops, she said, a sign that Democrats want a compromise so they can declare a victory.
Under a proposal by Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., consumer-owned nonprofit cooperatives would sell insurance in competition with private industry, not unlike the way electric and agriculture co-ops operate, especially in rural states such as his own.
With $3 billion to $4 billion in initial support from the government, the co-ops would operate under a national structure with state affiliates, but independent of the government. They would be required to maintain the type of financial reserves that private companies are required to keep in case of unexpectedly high claims.
"I think there will be a competitor to private insurers," Sebelius said. "That's really the essential part, is you don't turn over the whole new marketplace to private insurance companies and trust them to do the right thing."
Obama's spokesman refused to say a public option was a make-or-break choice.
"What I am saying is the bottom line for this for the president is, what we have to have is choice and competition in the insurance market," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Sunday.
A day before, Obama appeared to hedge his bets.
"All I'm saying is, though, that the public option, whether we have it or we don't have it, is not the entirety of health care reform," Obama said at a town hall meeting in Grand Junction, Colo. "This is just one sliver of it, one aspect of it."
It's hardly the same rhetoric Obama employed during a constant, personal campaign for legislation.
"I am pleased by the progress we're making on health care reform and still believe, as I've said before, that one of the best ways to bring down costs, provide more choices and assure quality is a public option that will force the insurance companies to compete and keep them honest," Obama said in July.
Lawmakers have discussed the co-op model for months although the Democratic leadership and the White House have said they prefer a government-run option.
Conrad, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, called the argument for a government-run public plan little more than a "wasted effort." He added there are enough votes in the Senate for a cooperative plan.
"It's not government-run and government-controlled," he said. "It's membership-run and membership-controlled. But it does provide a nonprofit competitor for the for-profit insurance companies, and that's why it has appeal on both sides."
Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., said Obama's team is making a political calculation and embracing the co-op alternative as "a step away from the government takeover of the health care system" that the GOP has pummeled.
"I don't know if it will do everything people want, but we ought to look at it. I think it's a far cry from the original proposals," he said.
Republicans say a public option would have unfair advantages that would drive private insurers out of business. Critics say co-ops would not be genuine public options for health insurance.
Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson, D-Texas, said it would be difficult to pass any legislation through the Democratic-controlled Congress without the promised public plan.
"We'll have the same number of people uninsured," she said. "If the insurance companies wanted to insure these people now, they'd be insured."
Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., said the Democrats' option would force individuals from their private plans to a government-run plan as some employers may choose not to provide health insurance.
"Tens of millions of individuals would be moved from their personal, private insurance to the government-run program. We simply don't think that's acceptable," he said.
A shift to a cooperative plan would certainly give some cover to fiscally conservative Blue Dog Democrats who are hardly cheering for the government-run plan.
"The reality is that it takes 60 percent to get this done in the Senate. It's probably going to have to be bipartisan in the Senate, which I think it should be," said Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., who added that the proposals still need changes before he can support them.
Obama, writing in Sunday's New York Times, said political maneuvers should be excluded from the debate.
"In the coming weeks, the cynics and the naysayers will continue to exploit fear and concerns for political gain," he wrote. "But for all the scare tactics out there, what's truly scary -- truly risky -- is the prospect of doing nothing."
Congress' proposals, however, seemed likely to strike end-of-life counseling sessions. Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has called the session "death panels," a label that has drawn rebuke from her fellow Republicans as well as Democrats.
Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, declined to criticize Palin's comments and said Obama wants to create a government-run panel to advise what types of care would be available to citizens.
"In all honesty, I don't want a bunch of nameless, faceless bureaucrats setting health care for my aged citizens in Utah," Hatch said.
Sebelius said the end-of-life proposal was likely to be dropped from the final bill.
"We wanted to make sure doctors were reimbursed for that very important consultation if family members chose to make it, and instead it's been turned into this scare tactic and probably will be off the table," she said.
Sebelius spoke on CNN's "State of the Union" and ABC's "This Week." Gibbs appeared on CBS' "Face the Nation." Conrad and Shelby appeared on "Fox News Sunday." Johnson, Price and Ross spoke with "State of the Union." Hatch was interviewed on "This Week."
 

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They are NOT bowing to any Republican pressure they dont give a FUCK about COMPROMISE....They cant pass it on a Democrat party line vote and THATS THE ONLY reason they are going to make this end around that i assure you will end in the same plan Obama wants and always has....1 way or another they WILL pass TOTAL CONTROL of the health industry....
 

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They are NOT bowing to any Republican pressure they dont give a FUCK about COMPROMISE....They cant pass it on a Democrat party line vote and THATS THE ONLY reason they are going to make this end around that i assure you will end in the same plan Obama wants and always has....1 way or another they WILL pass TOTAL CONTROL of the health industry....

exactly!

as of now, the current bill will never get past the senate

yet people who can read between the lines can see directly into the future:

obama will call ALL the dems one by one into his office and tell them to play ball or he will find another dem who WILL. he will then run them, financially back them, and support/campaign for them in the next election against said incumbent. these chicago people are brutal
 

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exactly!

as of now, the current bill will never get past the senate

yet people who can read between the lines can see directly into the future:

obama will call ALL the dems one by one into his office and tell them to play ball or he will find another dem who WILL. he will then run them, financially back them, and support/campaign for them in the next election against said incumbent. these chicago people are brutal

Guys, why not wait and hear the details? I understand the skepticism, but I honestly think if this thing ends up being 50 government plans, it will get the same responses from America that the current government plan has gotten. I think you are being a bit unrealistic if you honestly thought nothing would pass. If a lesser plan can pass that won't put us in the hole like the current proposal would, and honestly allow others to keep what they have without putting insurers out of business, that will be the best compromise. Hopefully, it will also incorporate some of the suggestions of the article Barman printed regarding getting rid of some of the Gov't mandates, etc. The devil will be in the details. Why not wait to see them before venting. It's clear that if they try to pull a fast one on this, there will be some jobs lost in Congress and I honestly don't think politicians want to fall on the sword even if they do have a majority. The biggest priority for any politician is to get re-elected. They know how the public feels after seeing the polls on this one. Let them hammer it out and see what they come up with.
 

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getting rid of some of the Gov't mandates, etc. The devil will be in the details

The pointman doesnt want less mandates, his entire program is MANDATES...Total control is the only goal....And the Devil is in the WH not the details....
 

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getting rid of some of the Gov't mandates, etc. The devil will be in the details

The pointman doesnt want less mandates, his entire program is MANDATES...Total control is the only goal....And the Devil is in the WH not the details....

OK, suit yourself. But I think if we can get a lesser plan and incorporate some of things in the link below (for those who didn't get a chance to read it), that would be progress that would suit the majority of the country.

Clearly, I'm pretty annoyed with most of the stuff that has gone on so far (especially the economy). But in regards to healthcare, if I can keep my same plan without feeling all the insurers are going to go belly up because of a monopolistic government plan, and we can incorporate some of the changes listed in this article to make things more competitive without jeopardizing R & D for new drugs, I'm fine with it and I think most people will be. Admittedly, if all the coops are is $1.6 trillion divided up into 50 plans that collectively all the same as a massive gov't plan, then of course I'll be as angry as you are. I honestly don't think that's going to be the case and am confident that if the administration tries to pull that, not only will opponents scream foul, but everyone will be aware of it too (the media has finally started covering the other side of the coin). And then the same politicians that are getting concerned about being re-elected will be just as concerned and we'll be back to where we were this week. I've felt all along that we needed some changes. But my biggest issue has been that the Far Left always wants to go to an extreme and that's not necessary. The rhetoric of the 46.5 million unisured Americans (which magically came up to 50 million) has been sensationalized from the start to make everything seem like the sky is falling. If we honestly look at the number being closer to 8-10 million (which it should be), then all of a sudden the problem doesn't seem to be as overwhelming as it appears. Instead of chopping off the arm, we can use a scalpel and clean up the infection. Look, if there's a way to get the people who can afford health insurance but don't want to pay for it into the system at a lower cost with lesser care, that should be fine. Same with non-citizens. Pay a little less, get some care...but not as high a quality. Honestly, I don't expect that I would get the same care as the President (just not reality). But should I get better care then someone who doesn't pay a dime into the system...Yes, I think so. It's the same thing with pretty much everything in our system. One of my clients lives in a mansion in Marin county. I live in a nice house just outside SF. A guy a few miles away lives in a shack. Do I deserve to live in my house? Yes. Should I be able to live in the Mansion in Marin? Only if I work hard enough to afford it. Should I live in a shack? If I want to, but I can afford better and chose to live in a nicer house. That's the way a capitalistic system works, and I like that.

I'll wait and hear the details before I get upset about it. Right now, I am cautiously optimistic.


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