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Danny Westneat
This column may be illegal
By Danny Westneat <mailto:dwestneat@seattletimes.com>
Seattle Times staff columnist
The first casualty in the state's war on Internet gambling is a local Web site
where nobody was actually doing any gambling.
What a Bellingham man did on his site was write about online gambling. He
reviewed Internet casinos. He had links to them, and ran ads by them. He fancied
himself a guide to an uncharted frontier, even compiling a list of "rogue
casinos" that had bilked gamblers.
All that, says the state - the ads, the linking, even the discussing - violates
a new state law barring online wagering or using the Internet to transmit
"gambling information."
"It's what the feds would call 'aiding and abetting,' " says the director of the
state's gambling commission, Rick Day. "Telling people how to gamble online,
where to do it, giving a link to it - that's all obviously enabling something
that is illegal."
Uh-oh. This is starting to get a little creepy.
I hadn't been all worked up about the state's crusade against Internet gambling,
including the new law that makes most online betting a felony.
Yes, it's insincere. This is the same state that's happy to enable your online
wagering if you're playing the ponies.
But mostly it seemed the law was unenforceable. And passé. A society steeped in
televised Texas Hold'em and Indian casinos is suddenly supposed to recoil at the
idea of placing bets with a mouse? I figured the law was a bluff.
Then I heard about Todd Boutte. He's a former Wal-Mart worker in Bellingham who
started a casino review called IntegrityCasinoGuide.com
<http://integritycasinoguide.com/> . He worried about the new law but figured
he'd be OK because his site has no actual gambling.
Not so, said the state. Writing about online gambling in a way that seems
promotional can earn a cease-and-desist order, and potentially, a criminal
charge. Boutte learned this when a Bellingham Herald article featured state
officials saying his site was illegal. He later shut it down and is trying to
sell it out of state.
"1984 has finally arrived," Boutte says. "I can't believe this is happening in a
liberal place like Washington."
More may be on the way. The state plans to hire an investigator to enforce the
new law.
Gambling officials told me The Seattle Times may be afoul of the law because we
print a poker how-to column, "Card Shark," by gambler Daniel Negreanu. He
sometimes tells readers to hone their skills at online casinos. And at the end
of each column is a Web address, fullcontactpoker.com
<http://fullcontactpoker.com/> , where readers can comment.
If you type in that address, you whiz off to Negreanu's digital casino based in
the Antilles.
It's a tangled Web, isn't it? The state says we'd best do our part to untangle
it.
"My suggestion to you is to remove from your paper any advice about online
gambling and any links to illegal sites," Day said.
So even this column could be illegal?
The state's gone from trying to control gambling, which is legit, to trying to
control people speaking about gambling.
It's hard to take coming from a state that bombards us with pitches for the
biggest sucker's bet of all. You know, the one they call the lottery.
Danny Westneat's column appears Thursday and Sunday. Reach him at 206-464-2086
or dwestneat@seattletimes.com.
Copyright © 2006 The Seattle Times Company
 
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Illegal to write about gambling in Washington?? WTF

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003062386_danny15.html

This column may be illegal

By Danny Westneat
Seattle Times staff columnist




The first casualty in the state's war on Internet gambling is a local Web site where nobody was actually doing any gambling.
What a Bellingham man did on his site was write about online gambling. He reviewed Internet casinos. He had links to them, and ran ads by them. He fancied himself a guide to an uncharted frontier, even compiling a list of "rogue casinos" that had bilked gamblers.
All that, says the state — the ads, the linking, even the discussing — violates a new state law barring online wagering or using the Internet to transmit "gambling information."
"It's what the feds would call 'aiding and abetting,' " says the director of the state's gambling commission, Rick Day. "Telling people how to gamble online, where to do it, giving a link to it — that's all obviously enabling something that is illegal."
Uh-oh. This is starting to get a little creepy.
I hadn't been all worked up about the state's crusade against Internet gambling, including the new law that makes most online betting a felony.
Yes, it's insincere. This is the same state that's happy to enable your online wagering if you're playing the ponies.
But mostly it seemed the law was unenforceable. And passé. A society steeped in televised Texas Hold'em and Indian casinos is suddenly supposed to recoil at the idea of placing bets with a mouse? I figured the law was a bluff.
Then I heard about Todd Boutte. He's a former Wal-Mart worker in Bellingham who started a casino review called IntegrityCasinoGuide.com. He worried about the new law but figured he'd be OK because his site has no actual gambling.
Not so, said the state. Writing about online gambling in a way that seems promotional can earn a cease-and-desist order, and potentially, a criminal charge. Boutte learned this when a Bellingham Herald article featured state officials saying his site was illegal. He later shut it down and is trying to sell it out of state.
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Gambling officials told me The Seattle Times may be afoul of the law because we print a poker how-to column, "Card Shark," by gambler Daniel Negreanu. He sometimes tells readers to hone their skills at online casinos. And at the end of each column is a Web address, fullcontactpoker.com, where readers can comment.
If you type in that address, you whiz off to Negreanu's digital casino based in the Antilles.
It's a tangled Web, isn't it? The state says we'd best do our part to untangle it.
"My suggestion to you is to remove from your paper any advice about online gambling and any links to illegal sites," Day said.
So even this column could be illegal?
The state's gone from trying to control gambling, which is legit, to trying to control people speaking about gambling.
It's hard to take coming from a state that bombards us with pitches for the biggest sucker's bet of all. You know, the one they call the lottery.
 

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Only the begining. Bible thumping at its best. No such thing as freedom of speech on the internet.
 

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Someone needs to get arrested and challenge this law.

I heard a rumor that some poker players were planning on playing online at the state capital just to get this thing shot down. I am not going to be betting on line come football season if it is still in effect. Hello bookie.
 

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is the site illegal because it is from washington state or does it cover reading a site from outside the state that talks about gambling ie therx.
 

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What a joke. The whole thing is money driven as they want yous pending your gambling dollars on state supported casinos and lotteries. 1984 has arrived indeed

I feel the movement to ban online gambling is more serious than we think. We need to organize and vote these clowns out of office that support this outrageous legislation
 

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Thursday, June 15, 2006 - Page updated at 12:00 AM
Danny Westneat
This column may be illegal
By Danny Westneat <mailto:dwestneat@seattletimes.com>
Seattle Times staff columnist
The first casualty in the state's war on Internet gambling is a local Web site
where nobody was actually doing any gambling.
What a Bellingham man did on his site was write about online gambling. He
reviewed Internet casinos. He had links to them, and ran ads by them. He fancied
himself a guide to an uncharted frontier, even compiling a list of "rogue
casinos" that had bilked gamblers.
All that, says the state - the ads, the linking, even the discussing - violates
a new state law barring online wagering or using the Internet to transmit
"gambling information."
"It's what the feds would call 'aiding and abetting,' " says the director of the
state's gambling commission, Rick Day. "Telling people how to gamble online,
where to do it, giving a link to it - that's all obviously enabling something
that is illegal."
Uh-oh. This is starting to get a little creepy.
I hadn't been all worked up about the state's crusade against Internet gambling,
including the new law that makes most online betting a felony.
Yes, it's insincere. This is the same state that's happy to enable your online
wagering if you're playing the ponies.
But mostly it seemed the law was unenforceable. And passé. A society steeped in
televised Texas Hold'em and Indian casinos is suddenly supposed to recoil at the
idea of placing bets with a mouse? I figured the law was a bluff.
Then I heard about Todd Boutte. He's a former Wal-Mart worker in Bellingham who
started a casino review called IntegrityCasinoGuide.com
<http://integritycasinoguide.com/> . He worried about the new law but figured
he'd be OK because his site has no actual gambling.
Not so, said the state. Writing about online gambling in a way that seems
promotional can earn a cease-and-desist order, and potentially, a criminal
charge. Boutte learned this when a Bellingham Herald article featured state
officials saying his site was illegal. He later shut it down and is trying to
sell it out of state.
"1984 has finally arrived," Boutte says. "I can't believe this is happening in a
liberal place like Washington."
More may be on the way. The state plans to hire an investigator to enforce the
new law.
Gambling officials told me The Seattle Times may be afoul of the law because we
print a poker how-to column, "Card Shark," by gambler Daniel Negreanu. He
sometimes tells readers to hone their skills at online casinos. And at the end
of each column is a Web address, fullcontactpoker.com
<http://fullcontactpoker.com/> , where readers can comment.
If you type in that address, you whiz off to Negreanu's digital casino based in
the Antilles.
It's a tangled Web, isn't it? The state says we'd best do our part to untangle
it.
"My suggestion to you is to remove from your paper any advice about online
gambling and any links to illegal sites," Day said.
So even this column could be illegal?
The state's gone from trying to control gambling, which is legit, to trying to
control people speaking about gambling.
It's hard to take coming from a state that bombards us with pitches for the
biggest sucker's bet of all. You know, the one they call the lottery.
Danny Westneat's column appears Thursday and Sunday. Reach him at 206-464-2086
or dwestneat@seattletimes.com.
Copyright © 2006 The Seattle Times Company






The Federal Aiding and Abetting Statute

Although this statute does not specifically mention gambling, it applies to online gambling, nevertheless. The statute provides that "[w]hoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets . . . or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal." In order to be punished under this Act, the perpetrator must assist in the commission of the offense with the intent to assist and have "guilty knowledge" of the
offense. Further, the illegal act must actually be performed by the principal lawbreaker.

Plainly, this statute would apply to anyone who assists someone in operating an illegal online gambling business. "Thus, those involved in the operation and maintenance of cybercasinos, those who assist users in accessing gambling [w]eb sites, and possibly those who provide access to cybercasinos would all face potential penalties under the aiding and abetting statute." The typical Internet service provider would not face
criminal liability, however, under normal circumstances because their actions do not normally satisfy either of the "guilty knowledge" or participation requirements.

All of these federal statutes appear to pertain, to some degree, to online gambling. Nevertheless, the actual prosecution of these types of companies or their officers is uncommon. One reason for this scarcity in prosecutions is the inability of enforcement officials to coerce the defendants to appear in the United States to stand trial. The actual validity of these statutes as they pertain to online gambling has also been questioned.




Correct me if I am wrong. There is nothing in the state law that says specifically they can censor this person. A possible criminal charge under aiding and abetting would be a federal offense and not there charge to bring. Yes or No.


Otherwise it is open to big public debate whether they can issue cease and desist orders which they dont want since it goes national in a second.
The first person with money to fight this will test this I am sure. I believe as Mr private investigator starts issuing stuff and arresting people the people in that state will rise as one and flood them with proof they are betting online illegaly and to come get them.


This is out right censorship as now all are scared to mention gambling in that state in any form. The first backlash I am afraid will be that people will boycott the very casinos the law was intended to protect.


Washington is the new Police State.


I found this in an old post by Wil. Thanks.
 

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Online gambling ban was easy sell with lawmakers
<http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/davidpostman/archives/2006/06/onl
ine_gambling_ban_was_easy_sell_with_lawmakers_1.html>
Posted by David Postman <mailto:dpostman@seattletimes.com> at 08:12 AM
Danny Westneat has a column
<http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003062386_danny15.html
> this morning about the real effects of a bill
<http://www.leg.wa.gov/pub/billinfo/2005-06/Pdf/Bills/Session%20Law%2020
06/6613-S.SL.pdf> passed by this year's Legislature to clarify the state
ban on internet gambling. In brief, the law is being used to crack down
on people who don't just operate online gambling sites, but who write
about them.
I didn't pay much attention to this year's legislative session and
wondered what sort of debate took place about legislation that would
have the state gambling commission threatening poker columnists.
In a House Commerce and Labor Committee hearing Feb. 22,
<http://www.tvw.org/MediaPlayer/Archived/WME.cfm?EVNum=2006021152&TYPE=A
> Rick Day, director of the state gambling commission, told committee
chairman Rep. Steve Conway that the bill was drafted to allow the
commission to crack down on "what we're really pursuing here, which is
the larger Internet providers and those third parties that are
deliberately facilitating the activity."
Committee staff explained the bill was "reaffirming and clarifying" laws
about gambling. This reminds me of something a lobbyist told me in
Alaska many years ago: Beware the clarifications and watch out for the
house-keeping and the "good little bill." In committee and in floor
debate, this bill was explained as updating a law that banned gambling
by telephone, telegraph, radio or semaphore.
Here's the entire Senate debate
<http://www.tvw.org/MediaPlayer/Archived/WME.cfm?EVNum=2006020140B&TYPE=
A> , held Feb. 14.
Sen. Margarita Prentice, D-Seattle, prime sponsor of Senate Bill 6613:
"This bill clarifies that using the Internet to place wagers on
activities regulated by the gambling commission or to play the state
lottery are prohibited; requires a 60 percent majority vote of the state
Legislature to authorize the state lottery to offer games played through
any device, including electronic scratch tickets machines that
electronically replicate any game of chance. New communication
technologies and variations of electronic gambling have come into
existence since gambling by electronic media was prohibited by the
Gambling Act of 1973. This also clarifies exactly what it is that people
can do. The state has to be extremely careful in legitimizing these
games. Please vote yes."
That was it. The Senate voted unanimously for the bill. The House voted
93-5 two weeks later.
 

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haha..... well I guess the same article 3 times in one thread is better then 3 times on the board.
 

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