left in American politics as we know it. Is the left wing of the democratic party lead by Kerry, T. Kennedy and Pelosi finished? Will the democrats be smart enough to understand that America rejects socialism or will they continue to lose House and Senate seats. Will they adjust and become more like JFK, strong on defense and a democrat who said, "ask what you can do for your country" instead of offering cradle to grave Gov hand outs on the backs of hard working Americans.
Game: it may well be the death of the left, though I wonder if Democrats will understand that they lost because they chose such a centrist candidate. They needed someone who didn't move into the moderate conservative camp like Kerry ... they needed someone who had always opposed the war, who supported gay marriage, etc. They needed the dead opposite of the radical right wing that Bush is lumping.
This election will see the rise of the left worldwide. There will be a backlash against the US, no doubt, and conservative politics will be buried around the world. I am waiting eagerly to hear how my PM handles the news and what his plans are for Canadian sovereignty.
This election will see the rise of the left worldwide. There will be a backlash against the US, no doubt, and conservative politics will be buried around the world. I am waiting eagerly to hear how my PM handles the news and what his plans are for Canadian sovereignty.
This from the votemaster:
"One thing that is very strange is how much the exit polls differed from the final results, especially in Ohio. Remember that Ohio uses Diebold voting machines in many areas. These machines have no paper trail. Early in the campaign, Diebold CEO Walden O'Dell, a GOP fundraiser, promised to deliver Ohio to Bush. He later regretted having said that."
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
This from CNN:
Texas Republicans used their control of the state Legislature to draw new districts to make it harder for Democrats to win re-election. In addition to the 32nd, the 19th District also pit two incumbents against each other.
Among the primary architects of the new map was House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who was projected to win re-election.
CNN projects that Republicans will also pick up seats in Texas Districts 1, 2, 10, 11 and 24.
Texas Districts 1 and 2 are particularly significant victories for the Republicans, if the projection holds true, because the races had been so close leading into the election.
The projected wins also mark a success for those legislators who redrew the Texas congressional map last year.
"One thing that is very strange is how much the exit polls differed from the final results, especially in Ohio. Remember that Ohio uses Diebold voting machines in many areas. These machines have no paper trail. Early in the campaign, Diebold CEO Walden O'Dell, a GOP fundraiser, promised to deliver Ohio to Bush. He later regretted having said that."
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
This from CNN:
Texas Republicans used their control of the state Legislature to draw new districts to make it harder for Democrats to win re-election. In addition to the 32nd, the 19th District also pit two incumbents against each other.
Among the primary architects of the new map was House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who was projected to win re-election.
CNN projects that Republicans will also pick up seats in Texas Districts 1, 2, 10, 11 and 24.
Texas Districts 1 and 2 are particularly significant victories for the Republicans, if the projection holds true, because the races had been so close leading into the election.
The projected wins also mark a success for those legislators who redrew the Texas congressional map last year.
X,
This may be hard to believe but I do not want the democratic party to completely destroy themselves ie the GOP having more than 60% control of the house and senate would not be good for the country. That's too much power for the right. If the democrats move to be more like Dean they will lose just about every election. Don't you get America rejects socialism?
This may be hard to believe but I do not want the democratic party to completely destroy themselves ie the GOP having more than 60% control of the house and senate would not be good for the country. That's too much power for the right. If the democrats move to be more like Dean they will lose just about every election. Don't you get America rejects socialism?
America has chosen religion as its political future.
There are four separate camps now.
1.Islamic fundamentalism (mid east)
2.Christian fundamentalism (usa)
3.Secularism (europe)
4.The far east (china et al)
Europe has totally rejected religious whackos and whackism
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3966983.stm
Have fun in the Mid East btw
There are four separate camps now.
1.Islamic fundamentalism (mid east)
2.Christian fundamentalism (usa)
3.Secularism (europe)
4.The far east (china et al)
Europe has totally rejected religious whackos and whackism
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3966983.stm
Have fun in the Mid East btw
Xpanda:
The USA has become a country with very few allies left in the world ... Powell most likely moves on and with him gone, you have no one left in the Bush camp that is considered honorable and willing to actually sit down and have meaningful discusssions with world leaders
Bush's Cowboy attitude has put this country behind the 8 ball .... you watch a year from now the sweat pouring out of the Bushies when reality hits home with the major blunder they pulled last nite
The USA has become a country with very few allies left in the world ... Powell most likely moves on and with him gone, you have no one left in the Bush camp that is considered honorable and willing to actually sit down and have meaningful discusssions with world leaders
Bush's Cowboy attitude has put this country behind the 8 ball .... you watch a year from now the sweat pouring out of the Bushies when reality hits home with the major blunder they pulled last nite
GAMEFACE said:
Game, with all due respect, I don't think you understand what socialism is. Further, this election was won by Bush on his faith and his views on gay marriage and abortion, neither of which are socialist issues. They are issues of civil liberties, for which I was mistakenly taught to believe the US was quite high on.
Your country is conservative, socially at least. But don't confuse pro-conservative with anti-socialist because it doesn't wash.
X,
I don't think Kerry lost cause he was centrist.
I think he lost cause:
- The Dems don't play hardball like the Repubs. For instance, Kerry's wife takes flak in Republican press for speaking with an accent. Imagine the field day right wing press would have had if Kerry had a DUI, Edwards had two DUIS and Kerry's wife had killed somebody in a traffic accident like with Bush and Cheney. They would have been all over it. The Dems will have to go all out next election to counter smear tactics by Republican hatchet men like Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
- Kerry has no charisma.
- No Senator will ever get elected again. It's too easy to distort their voting record on legislation. This is an oversimplication but for instance, the bill could be about supplying ammo to the troops with a rider on it that allows abortion. So if you wanna supply ammo to the troops but vote against the bill because you are against abortion, you will be labeled as not supporting the troops by your opponent.
- Kerry made too many mistakes on the campaign trail. I think two biggest ones were Mary Cheney in the debate - he came across as mean-spirited and the quote about voting for the $87 billion before he voted against it.
If ever there was an opportunity to defeat an unpopular president it was now and he and his campaign just didn't get it done.
I don't think Kerry lost cause he was centrist.
I think he lost cause:
- The Dems don't play hardball like the Repubs. For instance, Kerry's wife takes flak in Republican press for speaking with an accent. Imagine the field day right wing press would have had if Kerry had a DUI, Edwards had two DUIS and Kerry's wife had killed somebody in a traffic accident like with Bush and Cheney. They would have been all over it. The Dems will have to go all out next election to counter smear tactics by Republican hatchet men like Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
- Kerry has no charisma.
- No Senator will ever get elected again. It's too easy to distort their voting record on legislation. This is an oversimplication but for instance, the bill could be about supplying ammo to the troops with a rider on it that allows abortion. So if you wanna supply ammo to the troops but vote against the bill because you are against abortion, you will be labeled as not supporting the troops by your opponent.
- Kerry made too many mistakes on the campaign trail. I think two biggest ones were Mary Cheney in the debate - he came across as mean-spirited and the quote about voting for the $87 billion before he voted against it.
If ever there was an opportunity to defeat an unpopular president it was now and he and his campaign just didn't get it done.
MudBone - Kerry's biggest mistake was when he stood at the podium at the DNC and "Reported to Duty".
Prior to that moment, my leanings were centrist and nearly indifferent - but Kerry polarized me and several million other Vietnam Vets when he ran on his traitors record.
You won't read that in any of the mainstream media because it's not the PC thing to report about.
As for the rest of you, Doc., xpanda, eek, at al; you people just don't have a clue! The young don't tend to vote; the poor don't tend to vote; only those people that have a strong vested interest tend to vote! And no righteous American worthy of his ego would for a socialist agenda.
Prior to that moment, my leanings were centrist and nearly indifferent - but Kerry polarized me and several million other Vietnam Vets when he ran on his traitors record.
You won't read that in any of the mainstream media because it's not the PC thing to report about.
As for the rest of you, Doc., xpanda, eek, at al; you people just don't have a clue! The young don't tend to vote; the poor don't tend to vote; only those people that have a strong vested interest tend to vote! And no righteous American worthy of his ego would for a socialist agenda.
Bblight,
I guess he really must have polarized the Viet Nam vets for people like you to vote for a draft dodging AWOL reservist who used his connections to get into the Champagne Squadron of the National Guard.
And then decided to cut combat pay and veterans benefits while our troops are in Iraq. Sweet.
I guess he really must have polarized the Viet Nam vets for people like you to vote for a draft dodging AWOL reservist who used his connections to get into the Champagne Squadron of the National Guard.
And then decided to cut combat pay and veterans benefits while our troops are in Iraq. Sweet.
