Was George W Bush an Isolationist?

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I know some of you are going to say 9/11 changed everything, so we had to change, to protect who we are, who we weren't anymore, because of 9/11 blah blah.

Thats not the question.

The question is, at the time of 2000 debates was GW an Isolationist?

 

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No, he was running against Clinton's wars, while Gore was basically running as a Clinton Continuation. It was political campaigning as usual. When he was able to start his own wars, his stated "principles" went out the window. You have principles or you don't. He didn't. Neither does Obama, as he ran to get us out of Wars, and he keeps us in them and gets back in ones we were out of.
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Decision Points, by Pres. George W. Bush: on Foreign Policy


Al Gore: In 2000 debate, supported nation-building while Bush did not

When I ran for president, I never anticipated a mission like [nation-building in Afghanistan]. In the fall of 2000, Al Gore and I debated the most pressing issues facing America. Not once did the words Afghanistan, bin Laden, or al Qaeda come up. We did discuss nation building. "The vice president and I have a disagreement about the use of troops, " I said in the first debate. "I would be very careful about using our troops as nation builders."At the time, I worried about overextending our military by undertaking peacekeeping missions as we had in Bosnia and Somalia. But after 9/11, I changed my mind. Afghanistan was the ultimate nation building mission. We had liberated the country from a primitive dictatorship, and we had a moral obligation to leave behind something better. We also had a strategic interest in helping the Afghan people build a free society.
Source: Decision Points, by Pres. George W. Bush, p.205 Nov 9, 2010
 

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did he want to withdraw American troops from around the world?

and yes, 9/11 changed everything, something that can't be mitigated
 

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He believed that dictatorships remained in power by brewing hatred in their populations toward America and Western values. That this hatred led to 9/11 and in order to prevent future 9/11s it would be best to free the people from enslavement as, "free people are less likely to attack us." The intent was good, the result not so much. Even with our help and purple fingers etc the Arab/Muslim nations either did not embrace democratic values or did not have enough time before power vacuums were filled by more groups bent on repression. I believe Bush's heart was in the right place but his plans were scuttled by the collective Stockholm Syndrome of the Arab World.
 

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He believed that dictatorships remained in power by brewing hatred in their populations toward America and Western values. That this hatred led to 9/11 and in order to prevent future 9/11s it would be best to free the people from enslavement as, "free people are less likely to attack us." The intent was good, the result not so much. Even with our help and purple fingers etc the Arab/Muslim nations either did not embrace democratic values or did not have enough time before power vacuums were filled by more groups bent on repression. I believe Bush's heart was in the right place but his plans were scuttled by the collective Stockholm Syndrome of the Arab World.

He think his heart was in the right place too, before and after 9/11. Also don't think he was ever an isolationist.
 

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did he want to withdraw American troops from around the world?

and yes, 9/11 changed everything, something that can't be mitigated
that's fine but If he simply flexed the US military muscle like he should have and got out in a few weeks like he should have, he would have been praised. Instead, he attempted the nation building he was so set against and everyone knew would never work. That makes him an asshole.
 

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that's fine but If he simply flexed the US military muscle like he should have and got out in a few weeks like he should have, he would have been praised. Instead, he attempted the nation building he was so set against and everyone knew would never work. That makes him an asshole.

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Him and his team were never isolationist. One of the first things he did was to bomb Iraq. and that was before 9/11.

He wanted a war with Saddam, 9/11 just gave him a convenient excuse
 

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that's fine but If he simply flexed the US military muscle like he should have and got out in a few weeks like he should have, he would have been praised. Instead, he attempted the nation building he was so set against and everyone knew would never work. That makes him an asshole.

actually, if he listened to McCain and other military leaders and not Rumsfeld he would have been fine. We never provided security for the country with Rumsfeld's smaller quicker force. The surge, years later, brought that security and the the cooperation of the Iraqi people followed and then we won the war (although we gave that victory away years later)

Bush mismanaged the war, and not sending in a larger force from day one was the biggest mistake
 

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actually, if he listened to McCain and other military leaders and not Rumsfeld he would have been fine. We never provided security for the country with Rumsfeld's smaller quicker force. The surge, years later, brought that security and the the cooperation of the Iraqi people followed and then we won the war (although we gave that victory away years later)

Bush mismanaged the war, and not sending in a larger force from day one was the biggest mistake

To expound.... Wars are fought differently now. In the past one nation's army would overwhelm another nation, destroying its army and the will of the people to fight back. Then you either conquer and rule, or leave a pile of rubble without any ramifications. Now you have insurgency and roadside bombs, blowing up police recruiting stations etc because you need to rebuild what you just destroyed because.... If your mom told 1950 you that in 1930 when you were a 2yo the British army killed your father what are you going to do? But when 2024 mom tells you the Americans killed your father when you were a 2yo in 2004 maybe you sign up for flight school in Florida. The world is so interconnected now. Modern-day warfare's purpose is no longer overwhelming victory, but to "change hearts and minds."
 

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Obama's legacy in the Middle East desert

By Wesley Pruden

''Can't anybody here play this game?"

That was Casey Stengel, accustomed to managing the skill and power of the New York Yankees in their glory years, crying out in despair and frustration from the dugout of the New York Mets in their woebegone early years.

That could be the ol' perfessor, watching Barack Obama and his gang of sad sacks trying to manage the chaos and confusion in the Middle East, much of it of their own making. It's clear now to nearly everyone that this president and his administration have cornered the market on ineptitude.

Mr. Obama's performance has advanced from wary to scary, from concern over what to do with Iran to actual catastrophe in Iraq. The White House blames the fall of Ramadi, an important city west of Baghdad, squarely on Iraq. No one would confuse an Arab army with Marse Robert's Army of Northern Virginia, or George S. Patton's Third Army that swept across France en route to Berlin in the autumn of 1944, but the Iraqis, who abandoned their weapons and ran to hide in the desert, didn't stumble into catastrophe by themselves.

The facts continue to leak about how ISIS trucks and heavy equipment gathered on the outskirts of Ramadi, cataloged by U.S. intelligence satellites, and no airstrikes were ordered against the convoys. The Pentagon knew what was going on; the offensive against Ramadi was not a surprise.

David Deputla, now retired as the deputy chief of staff of the U.S. Air Force for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, tells Eli Lake of Bloomberg News that pilots flying sorties can see the targets that need immediate attention, but "have to call back [to headquarters] and ask, 'Mother, may I,' before they can engage." It's the way to engage if you're sitting on Pennsylvania Avenue or in front of a computer screen thousands of miles from the scene of battle, but it doesn't do much for soldiers pinned down and searching the skies for a sign of the promised help.

The generals, hobbled by the political strategists at the White House, call this a "dynamic targeting process," and it's not very dynamic and it doesn't have much to do with critical targets, but it is a lot of process. Such timid rules of engagement have drastically reduced the effectiveness of airstrikes. The New York Times counts an average of 15 airstrikes a day against ISIS targets in Syria and Iraq; when President George W. Bush seized the day as the U.S. was faltering in the war in Iraq, the U.S. Air Force launched 800 airstrikes every day. Sen. John McCain, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, says only 1 in 4 missions actually make a strike against a target.

"If the administration is only going to use airstrikes," says Rep. Devin Nunes of California, chairman of the House Select Committee on Intelligence, "they [will] have to expand what constitutes a target. I have been concerned for a long time that the limited number of targets would lead to the fall of many cities in Iraq. This didn't come as any surprise to me that Ramadi fell."

David Deptula agrees. "The current rules of engagement are intentionally designed to restrict the effectiveness of air power to prevent potential collateral damage. That results in ISIS getting the freedom of action so they can commit genocide against civilians. Does that make any sense?"

Actually, no, but nothing in the Middle East does. President Obama vows war on ISIS, with speeches full of airy promises to drive the barbarians from the field of battle, but ISIS continues to expand its reach and grasp of new territory. For months Iraqi forces deployed to Anbar province have gone to the black market to buy supplies because the supplies promised to them have not arrived.

Six years of determined retreat have reduced American influence in the region to a vapor. Mr. Obama invites top leaders of the region to a summit at Camp David and they all send their regrets. One has to get a manicure, another to buy a stamp, still another to write a letter. They sent a message, but no one got it.

President Obama inherited success in Iraq. He said so himself. "We are leaving behind a sovereign, stable, and self-reliant Iraq," he told the troops at Fort Bragg a little more than two years ago. Nothing recedes like success not exploited.

George Washington understood what happens when a nation is neither feared nor respected. "There is a rank due to the United States among nations which will be withheld if not absolutely lost," he said in 1793, "by the reputation of weakness." Not much to leave as a legacy.
 

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