War Protesters "melting away" along with the Iraqi Army

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their focus switched from keeping American troops out of Iraq



We are getting ready to protest the next "Liberation" that our country attempts.
 

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That's because people who picket in streets are a fickle bunch. Don't worry; they'll all be out there for the next anti-globalisation march, anti-porn, anti-gun, anti-capitalism, whatever. The only thing you can't get those fvckers to protest is idiotic street demonstrations.

Thoughtful opponents of war are against war regardless of whether or not one is being fought, and for pretty much the same reason: war is stupid, destructive and wasteful, and in the case of the current one, of highly questionable motivation and merit.


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Phaedrus:

You wrote:

"Thoughtful opponents of war are against war regardless of whether or not one is being fought, and for pretty much the same reason: war is stupid, destructive and wasteful,..."

Substitute "thoughtful" with irrational because only an irrational person would be against war 'regardless' of the circumstances. "War is stupid"? This country liberated itself from England by war, not diplomacy. This country kept itself united by civil war, not diplomacy. War is not stupid, but an end to a means when diplomacy fails.

I'm not advocating war, but simply stating that diplomacy sometimes fails and can only be rectified by military force.
 

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Gargoyle, you make a good point to an extent.

To better clarify, it is stupid to use war as a tool to get what one wants. And all war is wasteful and destructive, regardless of whether or not it is justified, which is why it is only a valid choice as a last resort, when diplomacy has failed.

Hitler was stupid to wage war on Europe; Europe was not stupid to wage war back at him with help from it's allies.

Although the British Empire was not technically waging war on the US, we had a number of legitimate reasons to break away from it, and we attempted to so, it brought about war. We didn't make the war, we fought back and won.

The Civil War did not keep this country united; the Civil War was a strangulation by Lincoln of states which had legitimate grievances against the federal government of the US. These grievances built up over decades and had only a little to do with slavery and rather a lot to do with tariffs. The result was not the preservation of a union but an example of what happens when the British Empires and Hitlers of the world win, which unfortunately sometimes happens.

I suppose it boils down to your definition of 'diplomacy.' In modern times, such as in the example of the current war in Iraq, 'diplomacy' is defined by politicians as "We asked them to do it and they said no; therefore we have no choice but to wage war." To compare the US war against Iraq with the US war against the British Empire is a bit of a stretch in that light.


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We are getting ready

"WE" ?


Yes. WE as in "War Protestors". As in the title of your thread. ?????
 

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