Wake me in a year and THEN recommend ASAP

[Jazz]

I don't get it - new book shows up with good people, similar in a way to Panam with reputed good people involved with it, and it seems there's not much skepticism at all about it???

Nawwwww, you go ahead and play, then drop a line here on March 26, 2005, and let me know if they're still paying and all the good warm fuzzies are still there. Me, I'll play elsewhere.

 

[lurkerforages]

yeh, musical chairs is a fun game but just remember when the music stops make sure you have a chair.
Those who don`t will end up on their butkus like the guys owed by Panam.

 

[postaldoug]

I totally agree. I'll wait at least a year, probably more. I've already got the scam-am problem. I also nearly lost a lot at Blue Marlin, got got a bail-out by Royal, and that was difficult to cash-out. No new books for me !

Doug

 

[Sodium Pentethol V]

Jazz here's what I don't get,

you are an ardent First Bonus Bettor because of theoretical BS,

if a new place opens it is as simple an algabraic equation of whether it is worth it to play there,

so why an auto condemnation?

if you never get stiffed these days it is extremely likely that you are shortsightedly costing yourself money by having too restrictive a default risk.

 

[RPM]

jazz,

far as i know, asap isnt even advertising here?

if you feel more comfortable waiting until a book is around for a while before playing there, thats great. do what is best for you.

personally, im not afraid to try new books. although i will admit, my balance there wont be as high as it is at pinnacle or rio.

 

[Jazz]

SPV, btw, I've admired some of your recent posts. This one isn't included - lol - here's why - because this is not a simple algebraic equation. Not any more. If you possess such an equation and can post it with a lucid explanation of the exact calculation, I'd be more than happy to review it.

But how do you determine the ASS FUC-KING factor? I'm simply not going to support any book less than a year old unless Spiro or Pinnacle is backing it. Go ahead and scoop the coin and run before the roof caves in, I'm not going to scurry myself.

 

[Jazz]

Fair enough, RPM. but I never said they were - however, Shrink seems to 'love' them already ...

http://therxforum.com/6/ubb.x?q=Y&s=100090022&a=tpc&f=988094022&m=988109721&r=177105821#177105821

 

[RPM]

jazz,

looks like shrink likes their lines, and complimented them on not being a clone.

its not like anyone is blowing up the board about this place.

take it easy man. im heading for bed!~

 

[Jazz]

lol - nope, you're right, not yet they aren't - but where is the critical thinking??? Blue Marlin and Panam not enough? How many of these have to happen before people get cautious?

 

[AfraidOfBush]

I agree that patience is a virtue. No need to post up with a new book now unless you know the people behind it very well.

 

[Banned4Life]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> But how do you determine the ASS FUC-KING factor? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If the square root of the number of posts praising a new book is greater than the amount you are thinking of sending them, they're probably OK.

 

[THE SHRINK]

Jazz,

With all due respect, please don't TWIST my words around...

That reminds me of a place which thrives on doing so...

All I was talking about is the fact that ASAP'S lines are unique...

This does NOT mean that I endorse them at this time and I do not...

Although one of their guys, Ric, is a well known and liked individual, one cannot get away from the fact that he was affiliated with a couple of fledgling books in the past...

Buyer Beware for now, though the reason I play and feel secure with ASAP is that my money is guaranteed by a third party...

THE SHRINK

 

[lakerfan]

Shrink if they go down you owe all of us our balances.

How dare you say you use them.

 

[Sodium Pentethol V]

Jazz,

First almost always, even in a worst case planned ponzi scheme, the first people in always get paid, it is key to the scheme.

But more importantly you would never open anywhere unless they provided a product that was of use to you,

obviously in this business it is pretty easy to figure out how much that product is worth, is it worth more in the aggregate than the chance of default?

Chance of default is obviously a very difficult or impossible thing to calculate.
But we know it is between 0-100% over any given time period.

Sometimes the benefits you will derive will be over 100%. As soon as the amount of whatever utility you derive reaches a reasonable level,who cares if you get ass ****ed? You have already derived more of a benefit by using them and getting ****ed then had you not used them at all.

AcesGold is the best example of this, how much $$$ do you think avg guy took them for before they went belly up? given their ineptitude at properly pricing their NFL product. I would assume an enormous amount and further I would assume that alot of people netted out way, way ahead even with the stiff,(I do not mean they merely won more then they got stiffed for, I mean they won more including the stiff then they would've elsewhere)

so should they have never played there?

This has nothing to do with the particular book in question, Rick has shown on repeated previous occasions to be very dilligent abt protecting his customer's money and an extremely hard working professional, I think that outweighs the fact that he has been with a few places that have not done well and if they had anything I could use I would most likely be using them with a very modest amount of concern.

[This message was edited by Sodium Pentethol V on March 27, 2004 at 12:33 PM.]

 

[Sodium Pentethol V]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I've admired some of your recent posts <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

BTW I would seek some professional medical attention to help with this problem.

 

[TheGeneral+]

We are dealing with a new book. Many a year will pop up.

Jazz, you can and should post warnings as often as you wish. It can only help as long as they don't turn into unmerited false accusations and I would not think you to do that. There is nothing wrong with your advice. Solid it is. With that being said, I seen no ringing endorsement other than an opinion. We all have our opinions. Yours is as good as any.

All the best.

 

[Jazz]

btw, did not mean to imply Shrink said he loved the outfit, that was an honest mistake. However, while SPV makes some valid points, I'll leave the cart-n-carry to others. I'm not implying anyone is stupid to use them, I'm stating that I'd be stupid to use them, after the fine Panam fiasco which is still going on and in which they are hiding behind the Panama Gaming Commission. Forget it - like I said, I'll take a year-long nap and then see whether those lovable lines are still around.

 

[tgoodm1]

I think BetJamaica has the best model going at this time for a new book. They, as we all know, have The Greek to back them financially.

If ASAP or any new book had a backer similar to The Greek, then it would be a different story. Many would jump on board in an instant.

 

[Malibu]

Jazz- do you work for or own the book of the same name?

 

[Jazz]

No - I get that asked from time to time, understandably. I'm a retired systems analyst, I just happen to like jazz music.