I think they ruled he was forced out (pushed out) tarheel. You don't have to have 2 feet in if the refs believe you could've come down inbounds without being pushed by the defenders. They were reviewing if he had possession when he came down with it from what I could tell.
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From NFL rules:
4. A kickoff is illegal unless it travels 10 yards OR is touched by the receiving team. Once the ball is touched by the receiving team or has gone 10 yards, it is a free ball. Receivers may recover and advance. Kicking team may recover but NOT advance UNLESS receiver had possession and lost the ball.
Sportsline said the Arizona onside kick was kicked 9 yards from the 30 and recovered at the 39 by Arizona. Why did they not get penalized and have to rekick?
Also, the 30-yard pass interference call was suspect as was the touchdown.
4. A kickoff is illegal unless it travels 10 yards OR is touched by the receiving team. Once the ball is touched by the receiving team or has gone 10 yards, it is a free ball. Receivers may recover and advance. Kicking team may recover but NOT advance UNLESS receiver had possession and lost the ball.
Sportsline said the Arizona onside kick was kicked 9 yards from the 30 and recovered at the 39 by Arizona. Why did they not get penalized and have to rekick?
Also, the 30-yard pass interference call was suspect as was the touchdown.
I did not see the onside kick David, but my guess is it was reported that way, because it was touched by Minnesota then went to the 39 where ARZ recovered. The receiving team can touch it before 10 yards, then it is a live ball. The kicking team cannot touch it until it goes ten yards or the defense touches it.
David- The NFL officiating has been as bad as it's ever been this season but I saw the onside kick and the Viking player touched it first so it was a live ball. I didn't see the pass interference call you brought up but it wouldn't surprise me if the officials got it wrong. They are absolutely horrible.
1) The onside kick didn't go 10 yards, but it was first touched by a Minny player, so it was a live ball.
2) You hate to see a pass-interference call in the final minutes of a close game, but it was definitely pass-interference. If they're gonna call it in the 1st quarter, they should call it in the 4th quarter.
3) We'll never know for sure, but I *think* the Cardinals WR would've got two feet if he wasn't pushed. He pretty much jumped straight-up to catch the ball, so you can assume he would've come straight-down with two feet.
Don't think you can argue any of the calls. People are gonna second-guess because of all the playoff and gambling implications, but all the calls were legit.
2) You hate to see a pass-interference call in the final minutes of a close game, but it was definitely pass-interference. If they're gonna call it in the 1st quarter, they should call it in the 4th quarter.
3) We'll never know for sure, but I *think* the Cardinals WR would've got two feet if he wasn't pushed. He pretty much jumped straight-up to catch the ball, so you can assume he would've come straight-down with two feet.
Don't think you can argue any of the calls. People are gonna second-guess because of all the playoff and gambling implications, but all the calls were legit.
Hey, Wilheim agrees with me...and so does Tom Jackson!
ESPN just showed the highlights on NFL Primetime...on the pass-interference, Walker (#26) clearly wasn't looking back for the ball...he was pushing and bumping the Cardinals WR down the field. Tom Jackson said it was a good call. I'm not a fan on the NFL pass-interference rule...I think it is a bit ridiculous to just give a team 30-50 yards on a long pass, especially with the game on the line. However, those are the rules...
Oddly enough, Walker (#26) was also defending the WR on the TD pass.
Anybody notice this was the exact OPPOSITE of "Playmakers" on ESPN? In "Playmakers", the Cougars (I think they were the Cougars?) win their must-win game...but then they turn on the TV, only to watch their rival complete a miracle comeback and eliminate them from the playoffs.
ESPN just showed the highlights on NFL Primetime...on the pass-interference, Walker (#26) clearly wasn't looking back for the ball...he was pushing and bumping the Cardinals WR down the field. Tom Jackson said it was a good call. I'm not a fan on the NFL pass-interference rule...I think it is a bit ridiculous to just give a team 30-50 yards on a long pass, especially with the game on the line. However, those are the rules...
Oddly enough, Walker (#26) was also defending the WR on the TD pass.
Anybody notice this was the exact OPPOSITE of "Playmakers" on ESPN? In "Playmakers", the Cougars (I think they were the Cougars?) win their must-win game...but then they turn on the TV, only to watch their rival complete a miracle comeback and eliminate them from the playoffs.
Railbird
Certifiably Crazy
posted December 28, 2003 08:20 PM
basically nfl sucking up to Farve because his dad dies, and it gives midwest people a reason to live and act retarded and put a piece of cheese on there head.
Posts: 2671 | Registered: May 11, 2003
Sounds like it beats the f*ck out of living in a smog infested earthquake zone and drinking wheatgrass juice.
Certifiably Crazy
posted December 28, 2003 08:20 PM
basically nfl sucking up to Farve because his dad dies, and it gives midwest people a reason to live and act retarded and put a piece of cheese on there head.
Posts: 2671 | Registered: May 11, 2003
Sounds like it beats the f*ck out of living in a smog infested earthquake zone and drinking wheatgrass juice.
From Twin Cities.Com.
Upset ends Vikings' season
Arizona rallies with touchdown as time expires
Associated Press
Associated Press
The Cardinals Nathan Poole makes the game-winning catch with no time on the clock as Brian Russell (27) defends. (See Post above)
The Arizona Cardinals knocked the Minnesota Vikings out of the playoffs with a fourth-down miracle.
Josh McCown threw a 28-yard touchdown pass to Nathan Poole on fourth-and-25 as time expired Sunday to rally the Cardinals to an 18-17 victory and rob the Vikings of the NFC North title.
Poole caught the ball near the sideline in the end zone and was ruled forced out by defensive back Denard Walker for the touchdown, giving the Green Bay Packers the division title and ending Minnesota's season.
McCown had been sacked on second and third downs, and Arizona barely got the final play off with 4 seconds to go.
Arizona cut the lead to 17-12 on McCown's desperation, fourth-and-goal 2-yard touchdown pass to Steve Bush with 1:54 to play. A short pass to Emmitt Smith fell a yard shy of the goal line for the 2-point conversion.
But Damien Anderson recovered the onside kick for Arizona, and a 30-yard pass-interference call against Walker put the Cardinals at the Minnesota 31.
McCown threw 13 yards to Poole to the Vikings 13, but sacks by Kevin Williams and Chris Hovan seemed to save the victory for Minnesota.
The Cardinals (4-12) snapped a seven-game losing streak in what might have been Dave McGinnis' final game as coach. They were 4-4 at home, including a victory over Green Bay.
A majority of the fans in Sun Devil Stadium were purple-clad Vikings boosters, and they were stunned by the last play. Minnesota players collapsed on their backs in disbelief.
Meanwhile, Brett Favre and the Packers celebrated with their fans at Lambeau Field when they learned of Arizona's improbable victory during the 2-minute warning of Green Bay's 31-3 win over Denver.
It was a tough game throughout for a Vikings team that had to win to make the playoffs.
Trailing 6-0 at halftime, Minnesota brought the NFL's top-rated offense to life with a pair of touchdowns behind Daunte Culpepper for a 17-6 lead.
Culpepper was 4-for-4 for 45 yards on the go-ahead touchdown drive in the third quarter, then threw 7 yards to Randy Moss for the second score to make it 14-6 with 8:54 to play.
Williams deflected McCown's pass, then intercepted it to set up Aaron Elling's 46-yard field goal that bounced off the left upright to put Minnesota up 17-6 with 6:48 remaining.
The Vikings (9-7) finished 3-7 after a 6-0 start. They needed a win, or a Green Bay loss, to win the division title and earn their first playoff berth since 2001.
Minnesota took the lead 7-6 with its second possession of the second half, going 67 yards in 11 plays. Moe Williams scored untouched from 1 yard out with 7:08 left in the third quarter.
Arizona had a goal-line stand, followed by a 94-yard drive in the first half. The Cardinals had two potentially disastrous fumbles, but recovered them both.
Minnesota had an interception by Brian Williams nullified by a hands-to-the-face penalty against Ken Irvin, and Elling missed a 44-yard field goal with 9:58 left in the half that would have tied it at 3.
On their first possession, the Vikings methodically moved downfield, Culpepper throwing 28 yards to Moss to the Arizona 2. But the Cardinals' defense held, and Culpepper threw incomplete on fourth-and-goal at the 1.
Arizona drove 94 yards in 14 plays, consuming eight minutes, before Neil Rackers' 22-yard field goal put the Cardinals up 3-0 with 51 seconds left in the first quarter. McCown's 36-yard screen pass to Smith was the drive's big play.
It was the longest play Smith has had this season, and his longest pass reception since 1995.
Dexter Jackson's career-best sixth interception and 30-yard return set up Rackers' 26-yard field goal that made it 6-0 with 19 seconds left in the first half.
wil.
Upset ends Vikings' season
Arizona rallies with touchdown as time expires
Associated Press
Associated Press
The Cardinals Nathan Poole makes the game-winning catch with no time on the clock as Brian Russell (27) defends. (See Post above)
The Arizona Cardinals knocked the Minnesota Vikings out of the playoffs with a fourth-down miracle.
Josh McCown threw a 28-yard touchdown pass to Nathan Poole on fourth-and-25 as time expired Sunday to rally the Cardinals to an 18-17 victory and rob the Vikings of the NFC North title.
Poole caught the ball near the sideline in the end zone and was ruled forced out by defensive back Denard Walker for the touchdown, giving the Green Bay Packers the division title and ending Minnesota's season.
McCown had been sacked on second and third downs, and Arizona barely got the final play off with 4 seconds to go.
Arizona cut the lead to 17-12 on McCown's desperation, fourth-and-goal 2-yard touchdown pass to Steve Bush with 1:54 to play. A short pass to Emmitt Smith fell a yard shy of the goal line for the 2-point conversion.
But Damien Anderson recovered the onside kick for Arizona, and a 30-yard pass-interference call against Walker put the Cardinals at the Minnesota 31.
McCown threw 13 yards to Poole to the Vikings 13, but sacks by Kevin Williams and Chris Hovan seemed to save the victory for Minnesota.
The Cardinals (4-12) snapped a seven-game losing streak in what might have been Dave McGinnis' final game as coach. They were 4-4 at home, including a victory over Green Bay.
A majority of the fans in Sun Devil Stadium were purple-clad Vikings boosters, and they were stunned by the last play. Minnesota players collapsed on their backs in disbelief.
Meanwhile, Brett Favre and the Packers celebrated with their fans at Lambeau Field when they learned of Arizona's improbable victory during the 2-minute warning of Green Bay's 31-3 win over Denver.
It was a tough game throughout for a Vikings team that had to win to make the playoffs.
Trailing 6-0 at halftime, Minnesota brought the NFL's top-rated offense to life with a pair of touchdowns behind Daunte Culpepper for a 17-6 lead.
Culpepper was 4-for-4 for 45 yards on the go-ahead touchdown drive in the third quarter, then threw 7 yards to Randy Moss for the second score to make it 14-6 with 8:54 to play.
Williams deflected McCown's pass, then intercepted it to set up Aaron Elling's 46-yard field goal that bounced off the left upright to put Minnesota up 17-6 with 6:48 remaining.
The Vikings (9-7) finished 3-7 after a 6-0 start. They needed a win, or a Green Bay loss, to win the division title and earn their first playoff berth since 2001.
Minnesota took the lead 7-6 with its second possession of the second half, going 67 yards in 11 plays. Moe Williams scored untouched from 1 yard out with 7:08 left in the third quarter.
Arizona had a goal-line stand, followed by a 94-yard drive in the first half. The Cardinals had two potentially disastrous fumbles, but recovered them both.
Minnesota had an interception by Brian Williams nullified by a hands-to-the-face penalty against Ken Irvin, and Elling missed a 44-yard field goal with 9:58 left in the half that would have tied it at 3.
On their first possession, the Vikings methodically moved downfield, Culpepper throwing 28 yards to Moss to the Arizona 2. But the Cardinals' defense held, and Culpepper threw incomplete on fourth-and-goal at the 1.
Arizona drove 94 yards in 14 plays, consuming eight minutes, before Neil Rackers' 22-yard field goal put the Cardinals up 3-0 with 51 seconds left in the first quarter. McCown's 36-yard screen pass to Smith was the drive's big play.
It was the longest play Smith has had this season, and his longest pass reception since 1995.
Dexter Jackson's career-best sixth interception and 30-yard return set up Rackers' 26-yard field goal that made it 6-0 with 19 seconds left in the first half.
wil.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Railbird:
basically nfl sucking up to Farve because his dad dies, and it gives midwest people a reason to live and act retarded and put a piece of cheese on there head.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Railbird
Great call, Pal!! If Farve's Dad had lived I'm sure the Vikings would have beat those hardhittin Arizona Cardinals.
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basically nfl sucking up to Farve because his dad dies, and it gives midwest people a reason to live and act retarded and put a piece of cheese on there head.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Railbird
Great call, Pal!! If Farve's Dad had lived I'm sure the Vikings would have beat those hardhittin Arizona Cardinals.
VVV
