vick just pulled himself even with brady for mvp after that game

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So what you're saying is Brady has better teammates

Vick has a 1st and 2nd rounder in Maclin and Jackson.

Brady has a late 2nd and undrafted in Branch and Welker.

Perhaps Brady just makes everyone look incredible...
 

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So you include the games into Vicks team record, where he didn't even play due to his injury (2-1 record by PHI), played just 10min in the 1st quarter (0-1, loss to WSH) or played just the 2nd half (0-1 loss to GB, came in down by 10, lost by 7)?
Doesn't seem really fair...in games he started and finished the Eagles are 8-1 so far, while they were 2-3 in the other 5 games.
Same applies for total yardage and the other total stats: While his turnover numbers would be worse, he would easily top Bradys total yardage hadnt he missed a total of 4 games.

Not saying he should be MVP since I think it's pretty much a coin toss between Brady/Vick.

Not being able to stay healthy works against him. You don't get the MVP for playing in 3 games and managing 20 TDs and 0 interceptions but being hurt the rest of the way. I get what you are saying but I think the fact that Vick has missed time and not played in as many games as Brady works against him more than anything.
 

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Vick has a 1st and 2nd rounder in Maclin and Jackson.

Brady has a late 2nd and undrafted in Branch and Welker.

Perhaps Brady just makes everyone look incredible...

Or perhaps football isn't three-on-three, nor does every player peak before age 22?
 

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Not being able to stay healthy works against him.
I would agree, although the staying healthy thing is easier for a pocket passer like Brady. But you're absolutely right, especially if both players have been playing at such a high level and their performance otherwise has been pretty much the same, then Brady should get the nod because he did his thing in 3 more games.
I just didn't think, that the team record thing was fair in this particular case because Vick was sidelined for one loss and barely played in 2 of the other 3.
 

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Or perhaps football isn't three-on-three, nor does every player peak before age 22?

McNabb finished last season with 24 TDs, 7 INTs, and a 60.3 completion %.

He left the Eagles and has 14 TD, 15 INTs, and a 58.3 completion %.

I'd say the Eagles have more than enough talent. Philly was top 5 last year in points scored as well. Not really a team without talent and scoring power.
 

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Vick has had an incredible year but I don't think he can touch Brady's season. It's like comparing Cam Newton to Kellen Moore. Both guys have been great but Newton was just so much better than everyone.
 

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I'd put them even right now. Vick was lights out in the 2nd Half yesterday and Brady was outplayed by a 2nd string QB.

Two games left, lets see how they both play out.
 

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Vick: 24 total TD, 4 INT, 9 fumbles, 63.6 completion %, about 3000 total yards, 10-4 team record

Brady: 30 total TD, 4 INT, 2 fumbles, 66.8 completion %, about 3500 total yards, 12-2 team record

Brady should win this going away.
That comparison is a bit misleading. You're not taking Vicks #1 strong suit into account : his ability to evade tackles, and rush for yards. In light of that, I'd say its a dead heat between Vick and Brady.

Vick : 613 rushing yards, 8 rushing TDs
Brady : 17 rushing yards, 1 rushing TD
 

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Vick: 24 total TD, 4 INT, 9 fumbles, 63.6 completion %, about 3000 total yards, 10-4 team record

Brady: 30 total TD, 4 INT, 2 fumbles, 66.8 completion %, about 3500 total yards, 12-2 team record

Brady should win this going away.
Now that I think about it, this comparison is totally flawed, because Vick compiled those touchdowns and yards in 4 less games than Brady. This further makes the case for Vick in my opinion.
 

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If Brady didn't best him in every QB statistic except for rushing yards, you might have a good point

does Brady have any mega-stars playing along side of him? catching the ball?

did you know? this is a rebuilding year for the Pats. Brady kinda put the kibosh on that


Vick is having a great year, arguably the 2nd or 3rd best QB this year, just not the best
 

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If Brady didn't best him in every QB statistic except for rushing yards, you might have a good point
Brady doesn't best him in a lot of these stats when you look at PER GAME, and its necessary to do that because Vick has played 4 less games than Brady.
 

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Brady doesn't best him in a lot of these stats when you look at PER GAME, and its necessary to do that because Vick has played 4 less games than Brady.

actually, Brady is better even on a per game basis.

Plus going 6-0 in his last 6 with 17 TD's 0 Int's and a QB rating of 125 has just put this debate to bed already

I would also suggest that "playing in games" is a pretty important part of winning the MVP.
 

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That comparison is a bit misleading. You're not taking Vicks #1 strong suit into account : his ability to evade tackles, and rush for yards. In light of that, I'd say its a dead heat between Vick and Brady.

Vick : 613 rushing yards, 8 rushing TDs
Brady : 17 rushing yards, 1 rushing TD

His rushing yardage and rushing TDs were figured into the statistics...
 

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its brady or vick by a wide margin over rivers...this isnt baseball where arod got it on a last place team....w's and l's count here...
 

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being on the field matters (for many reasons) - so I like Brady in this debate.

I will say though, that Vick is a very close second - as even stats like his number of fumbles can be misleading, in that he only has lost 1 of them I believe... so as far as turnovers go, they're almost even. If he did what he's been doing for a whole season, I'm sure my opinion would be the opposite it is now.
 

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actually, Brady is better even on a per game basis.
While the naked stats do seem to point towards this, I would argue that Vick played 3 quarters in week 1; and 1 quarter in week 4. So on paper, those 2 appearences count as "games", when in reality he played less than the full game.
Even with that, Vick and Brady's numbers are neck and neck. Brady's slight edge is accounted for by the fact that Brady has literally played more football than Vick this season.

They're both definitely the top 2 QB's, and I would have no complaints if Brady wins. I just think it's alot closer than people think.
 

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its brady or vick by a wide margin over rivers...this isnt baseball where arod got it on a last place team....w's and l's count here...

So Rivers is responsible for the play of his team's special team units?

imo I'd take Rivers over Brady and Vick right now. Vick a close second and system QB third.
 

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