VG789 & Linesmaker, 90 day bank wire trace?

TheGeneral+ · Jul 11, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by VG789:
General,you can put Linesmaker as SP.
Hope not NP.
I 've stopped counting the days.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

VG789, Can you explain your situation with a Slow Pay please. First I heard of it.

Thanks

[This message was edited by The General on September 17, 2003 at 11:08 AM.]

TheGeneral+ · Jul 11, 2003

http://therxforum.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=100090022&f=988094022&m=76310281&r=75010381#75010381

I remember now. Sorry.

What do others think of this situation?

Chadster · Jul 11, 2003

Its a bank error..not a slow pay as you say and we all have to sit and wait.

Buzzsaw · Jul 11, 2003

After 5 weeks? It's a slow pay. If you stay after a trace the most they can stretch it to is about 3 weeks. Most traces take about a week to a week and a half.

5 weeks and counting is a different story. Maybe the book did not really run a trace. In that case it could be another month and seeing how there pissed my money would be on 8 weeks/ no trace.

Chadster · Jul 11, 2003

Buzz

You and others can't seem to fathom that we aren't dealing with the bank on the neighborhood corner. It's banks in foreign countries that they are dealing with. And now lets not forget we aren't selling real estate here we are booking games and offering virtual casinos to people who in most countries can't legally play.

So we pressure the bank and they tell us to get lost what are we going to do go the government agency that regulates them...o thats right they don't have one.

We can't just walk in Bank One and open a bank account. The pool of banks to choose from are drying up yearly and banks give us more bullshit to deal with all the time thus more bullshit from the player.

The thing is with the lost bank wire that the funds have already been deducted from the books bank and thus in cyberspace somewhere...not in our account and not in yours. So we are both out. I have a dissatisfied customer becuase he doesn't have his money and I am out my money that was alloted for you.

Could I issue another payment.....sure I could but then instead of being out of the one amount for God knows how long now I will be out both amounts.

Not sure of the amount here in question but IMO I would look at the customers history and level of play and make a decesion if I give him another payout or not.

Also Buzz not doing a trace when they say they did is not the way this book went from 5 employees to over 250 employees in 4 countries.

TTinCO · Jul 11, 2003

How many accounts were tied back to this player?

Something smells here. I wouldn't be surprised if they were fukking with him just to fukk with him after his apparent "multiple account" game.

If true, oh well. Screw with people, get screwed with-that's life.

Buzzsaw · Jul 11, 2003

Jay,
Of course its outside the US, a US trace takes 2 days.

You would know better. I've seen dozens of these complaints and after 4-5 weeks something is seriously wrong. I think we know this player is questionable and I doubt after 5 weeks, going on 6 at least, they did much to find out. I could be wrong.

I'm curious, you have probably seen what 5,000 wires sent in your day? How long have you seen wires "traced after the first week" take?

miked429 · Jul 11, 2003

buzz i have played with linesmaker and never had a promblem.dont you find it a little wierd 3 accounts all from greece.should the guy have been paid by now yes.but im sure we dont know the whole story.imo

Buzzsaw · Jul 11, 2003

Mike,
Oh yea...I'm not defending this player, we all know what he is.

I do think that traced wires, which the book did confirm, do not take 6+ weeks. Although I do respect Jay's opinion because he obviously knows.

Thats all. Knowing this players' past, it wouldnt surprize me (or even hurt my feelings) if they fudged the truth about the trace maybe even the wire.

TheGeneral+ · Aug 24, 2003

No matter the players past, he was issued a payout supposedly, and according to Mike, so the question now is why would one have to wait so long for trace? The trace was supposedly started on 6/20, so the payout was sent sooner than that.

Mike and Paul explained the situation, but what if the trace takes another 100 days, is it fair for the player to have and sit and wait?

TheGeneral+ · Aug 24, 2003

There are alot of opinions on book/player disputes today. Can i get some opinions on this matter?

Thanks

LinesMaker · Aug 24, 2003

With Regards to this situation, I agree it is too long to wait but we, like the player, are waiting for the bank's response. The portion of the player's payout, which was not sent by wire, was credited at the same time and has been received by the player.

There were three accounts involved. All payments were sent within the same time frame. One was received and the other two (VG789 and his "Sister") were not. They share the same bank.

As far as the player and his manipulation of our bonuses, the player was caught straight up. Despite the fact we would have been entitled to withhold a portion of the payout for the bonuses, we chose not to. In hindsight, we should have but the amounts in question were very small.

The situation here is not punitive, although the 'what goes around, comes around' philosophy might be just, we said we would payout per the instructions given to us and we did. -- LM

VG789 · Aug 25, 2003

TheGeneral+ · Aug 25, 2003

Thanks LINESMAKER, but this needs to be settled.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> The situation here is not punitive, although the 'what goes around, comes around' philosophy might be just <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> the amounts in question were very small. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then pay it off and be done with it.

Thanks

[This message was edited by The General on August 26, 2003 at 11:14 AM.]

seaurchin2217 · Aug 26, 2003

linemaker
you going to pay the guy????
the bank story wears a little thin

TheGeneral+ · Aug 27, 2003

I just can't understand this no matter how impartial I try to be.

seaurchin2217 · Aug 27, 2003

looks like a <stiff job>

TheGeneral+ · Aug 28, 2003

69 days

LinesMaker · Aug 28, 2003

As I have stated previously, we have sent the funds as per the customer's instructions. We do not have the player's funds as they left our account the moment the wire was initiated.

We have been double dipped in the past and it will not happen again. If this customer had a positive track record with us, we might make an exception. Keep in mind, this player and the related accounts were kicked out for bonus scams, he/her/they will be treated professionally but will not get special accommodation.

What people need to know is that outside of the obvious errors, where the wrong information was entered, the vast majority of these cases turn out to be scams. In the case of errors, they are typically resolved in a few days. We have confirmed with the player that the wire went out with the exact instructions he provided; the possibility of typographical error has been eliminated.

I do not wish to insinuate the player in question is scamming. We do not know this, but given the track record, we'll wait and see. -- LM

PO69 · Aug 28, 2003

I will say that I started playing with linesmaker about 8 months ago WAY BEFORE they were introduced to this website!

I actually "brought" them to this website with their great bonus offers. But this player, using 3 accounts to manipulate the system, started playing at the site before it was introduced here.

I have received many bankwire payouts from them in the past for over $1000 each and they were always sent fast.

First of all this guy tries to scam the bonus system. You guys dont think that he would try the same thing with the payout??

Some people may not understand bankwires. Once one is sent and it is accepted at another bank, then you cannot get the money back. In this case, the money was accepted, but this YO_YO says that it was the wrong account. Pretty hard to make such a mistake that a typo error woudl result in being THE SAME number as another account.

There is a reason why this guy doesnt post about this matter anymore and that is because he ALREADY has his money and was trying to get some more FREE CASH!!!!

On this note let me say a few things. How comes it always appears that players from ASIA are screwing these books left and right?? How many players from ASIA can they have that bet baseball?? If I received a new player from a country in ASIA and they were betting baseball, then I would check EVERYTHIGN OUT before a payout request is made!