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Not that dictatorial Chavez has any credibility, but Obama does smell like shit.

CAMPO CARABOBO, Venezuela (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said on Saturday Barack Obama had the "stench" of his predecessor as U.S. president and was at risk of being killed if he tries to change the American "empire."
Most world leaders expect a new era of U.S. foreign relations when Obama, a Democrat, is sworn in as president on Tuesday after Republican George W. Bush's eight years in the White House.
But Chavez said frayed ties with Washington were unlikely to improve despite the departure of Bush, who the Venezuelan leader has often called the "devil."
"I hope I am wrong, but I believe Obama brings the same stench, to not say another word," Chavez said at a political rally on a historic Venezuelan battlefield.
"If Obama as president of the United States does not obey the orders of the empire, they will kill him, like they killed Kennedy, like they killed Martin Luther King, or Lincoln, who freed the blacks and paid with his life."
Obama, who will be the first black president in U.S. history, was given Secret Service protection on the campaign trail earlier than is customary for candidates and security for Tuesday's inauguration is extremely tight.
Venezuela is a leading supplier of oil to the United States and the two countries once enjoyed close ties.
Relations deteriorated after Chavez first won election in 1998 as he took on U.S. companies as part of his socialist agenda of nationalization of various industries and accused Washington of backing a brief coup against him.
Last year, he expelled the U.S. ambassador from Venezuela.
Chavez's foreign policy is based on countering U.S. global influence and promoting countries like Russia and China as world leaders. He has close ties to U.S. foes Cuba and Iran.
Until recently, Chavez had said he hoped relations with Washington could improve. But in the last few days, he has picked up on comments he attributes to Obama accusing him of obstructing progress in Latin America and exporting terrorism.
 

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Oh Lord Chavez dosent like our president. Mabe if we ignore it he will learn to love him.
 

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If the US government conducted a covert operation to kill Chavez I'd approve.
 

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Like they killed Kennedy-like they killed MLK- now here is a man vying for Kook Of the Year 2010. The Empire will have him killed- like they did Lincoln. Im glad he cleared the air about this. He is also a 9/11 truther and has hailed William Rodreigez- supposedly the last man out of the WTC before it fell - as an American hero- for simply telling the truth.

Chavez is no fool. He nationalizes against the scumbag oil companies and they call him a socialist. HA!

He wouldnt go along with the price fixing and the gouging that the oil companies wanted him to do and sold gas to his people for 5 cents a gallon. That was very crude of him.:nohead:

For this Pat Robertson called upon all Christians to unite and pray to God for his assasination. :think2:


It all died down when the people said "Who the fuck is Pat Robertson?"
 

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They already conducted at least one covert operation to overthrow him, which almost succeeded. The guy they tried to install makes Chavez look like a saint. Also, they shot innocent people in cold blood in order to try and do it.

If the US government conducted a covert operation to kill Chavez I'd approve.

President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela Overthrown
Sunday, 14 April 2002, 9:07 pm
Press Release: Council on Hemispheric Affairs

Council on Hemispheric Affairs

For Immediate Release April 12, 2002 02:09

· Bitter legacy of the Chavez overthrow could afflict rest of hemisphere · Extra-constitutional ouster of Venezuelan President sends wrong message to other Latin American nations with controversial leaders · Given the recent history of the Latin American military, it is a tragic error to permit the region's armed forces to subordinate civilian governance · Organization of American States continues its dysfunctional role · Who selected the un-elected Pedro Carmona, head of the powerful business organization, Fedecemaras, to lead the transitional government? · White House less than stricken by Venezuelan tragedy Yesterday, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez was removed from power by a military coup supported by business and labor interests. A group of military officials assumed control of the embattled nation and detained President Chavez late on the third day of massive protests against the country's leader. Pedro Carmona, the president of the powerful business organization, Fedecamaras, announced that he would lead the transitional government, even though he was not remotely connected to the constitutional succession chain. The problem here is that the reason why Chavez was able to mobilize a massive following after he won office in 1998 with 56 percent of the vote, which was later increased to 85%, was that the average Venezuelan looked upon the entrenched political parties and business groups and figures such Carmona, as among those responsible for bleeding the nation dry. In recent months Chavez' popular support has precipitously declined. But his forced resignation, which was in large extent due to his own exaggerated personal style rather than any outrageous nature of his programs, has not advanced democracy, either within Venezuela or throughout the rest of the hemisphere. Rather, it has potentially resurrected the role of the military, which committed so much havoc and whose beastly behavior cost so many lives in the 1970s and 80s in such nations as Brazil, Chile, Uruguay and Argentina. Chavez's overthrow by the military could also provide a dangerous precedent for similar actions in Guatemala, Argentina, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, and Bolivia, all of which face some combination of comparable political and economic circumstances, including weakened central governments, restless militaries, increasing disparities between the rich and the poor, political climates favorable to political alienation, as well as a lack of basic social justice. The overthrow of Chavez also poses a challenge for the Organization of American States (OAS), which from its Declaration of Santiago onward, has insisted that extra-constitutional governments will be severely sanctioned. It is obvious that the U.S.-dominated body's role will be limited to mouthing empty epithets which mask this regional entity's continued ineffectiveness and unfulfilled promise. The prospects that this nearly dysfunctional body will play a forthright role, aside from uttering hypocrisy-driven speeches, is remote.

The U.S. Role

As the situation deteriorated in Venezuela in recent weeks, the possibility, if not inevitability, that the U.S. would be tempted to acquiesce, if not facilitate, the extra-constitutional overthrow of the democratically-elected government of Hugo Chavez grew. If the Bush administration were unwise enough to have participated in such an undemocratic action, it would add another lamentable scar to Washington's reputation for the lack of probity when it comes to conducting its inter-American strategy. But if the past is any guide, such events as the CIA's role in Chile in 1973 and in Grenada in the early months of the Reagan administration, indicate that the goal of U.S. involvement may have been to topple the government by subverting its economic stability. The CIA's behind-the-scene operations in the Chilean trucker's strike in 1971, at which time the organization secretly orchestrated and helped to finance the promulgation of the work stoppage in order to economically weaken the Allende government, could have been the model followed this week in Venezuela. The scenario used would have had CIA operatives acting in unison with the Venezuelan military, as well as with business and labor leaders to coordinate the work stoppage, creating an atmosphere of fear throughout the country and giving the appearance of destabilizing the Venezuelan economy, including the functioning of its all-important petroleum industry. If Kissinger was correct in once maintaining that any outside threat to the Saudi oil deposits would be a casus belli for the U.S., the same would be true for any interruption of Venezuelan oil shipments to the U.S. since Caracas is the third largest exporter of oil to this nation, currently supplying 15% of its total foreign imports.

Of course, the difference between the Saudi Arabian example and that of Venezuela is that the latter situation involved an internal not an external threat to its production, and that the turmoil in the South America nation ostensibly occurred because Chavez had used his legal authority to oust those members of the state petroleum company (PDVSA) with whom he had lost confidence. This is not to deny that the Venezuelan president committed an array of imprudent acts while in office and had, in retrospect, staged too many unnecessary confrontations with key institutions and figures in Venezuelan public life, such as the church, the media, the business community and important trade union officials-all in the name of the average Venezuelan. But it is equally important to note what Chavez did not do. Unlike so many regimes that have been close to the White House in recent years, he did not endorse torture, or even much milder human rights violations, or the use of the military to harass the political opposition. Chavez may have been volatile and brusque, but he has not been cruel or insolent, nor has he been sinister or corrupt. Compared to Fujimori of Peru, Banzer of Bolivia or Rios Montt of Guatemala-all well regarded in their time by the White House-Chavez was a veritable angel.

Nor should one overlook the probable role of Otto Reich, the controversial Cuban-American militant who was awarded the position of Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs as a reward for his past actions. Although not approved by the Senate, Reich remains at work in the State Department deciding key administration policies on hemispheric issues. As U.S. Ambassador to Venezuela during the first Bush administration, it is inconceivable that Reich was not involved in the plot to oust Chavez, particularly because of the latter's intimate relationship with Reich's arch-nemesis, Castro.

Under Chavez, the situation in Caracas may have been unpleasant, but it was never dangerous. It posed no real threat to the U.S. because the 14,000 Citgo gas stations throughout this country vending Venezuelan-owned petroleum were ample hostages for Chavez's good faith and where else would Venezuela go to sell its oil, even if Chavez had decided to try to boycott the U.S?

If former President Chavez had done damage to his country by contributing to a divisive political atmosphere he must be condemned for it. But it also must be recognized that he made a substantial contribution to his country. He acted as the people's ombudsman, challenging all the vested interests in a society notorious for its corruption. His ascent to the peak of his country's political life was due to the corruption that embroiled the country's two dominant political parties, Democratic Action and the Christian Democrats. In the end, Chavez's trust largely contributed to his downfall as the popular appeal established by his thesis of participatory democracy faded in the face of economic downturn and his military comrades-in-arm turned on him.

For decades Venezuela had been under the control of a tiny self-serving elite who were not in the least troubled by the fact that 85% of the population lived below the poverty line in one of the richest nations in all of Latin America. Chavez tried to change this and failed.

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Chavez returns



Hugo Chavez is President of Venezuela again, having been deposed on 11 April 2002. He was first elected President in late 1998, since when he has re-written Venezuela’s constitution, got it approved by popular referendum and got himself re-elected under the new constitution for a further six years with an impressive 60% of the popular vote.



When Chavez came to power, crude oil prices were languishing at under $10 a barrel. Production quotas set by OPEC were not being stuck to, not least by Venezuela itself. Two years later crude oil prices were over $30 a barrel. Chavez was almost single-handedly responsible by revitalising OPEC. He undertook that Venezuela would stick to OPEC production quotas and under his leadership OPEC set out to stabilise oil prices within the range $22 to $28 a barrel. That objective has been achieved.



It was no surprise therefore that when Chavez was deposed by military coup on 11 April, the price of crude oil dropped instantly by about $4 a barrel to around $24 a barrel.



The generals who deposed him took advantage of an anti-Chavez demonstration on 11 April, which marched on the presidential palace. Pro-Chavez elements allegedly fired on demonstrators and killed and wounded a number of them. This story has been widely disseminated across the world and was the excuse for mounting the coup.



An alternative story is told by Kim Bartley and Donnacha O'Brien, who had spent the previous three months in Venezuela making a documentary about Chavez for an independent Irish company. They were close to the centre of events in Caracas from 11 April when Chavez was deposed until 13 April when he was reinstated. An interview with them was published in the Irish Times on 16 April.



Ms Bartley says the shooting began when they arrived in the centre of town on the evening of Thursday, 11 April. She goes on:



“I filmed a while then took cover in a doorway. Whoever was firing aimed directly at the crowd, which was pro-Chavez. I filmed two dead bodies, both of them beside the podium set up to rally Chavistas to defend the presidential palace. A woman working in the vice-president’s office identified the bodies as a legal secretary and an archivist, both working inside the building. A 10-year-old girl was then taken away, fatally injured.



“More shots. We ran for cover like everyone else. We made it to the palace through back streets as the firing continued and as soon as we got in the gate another sniper started aiming at the crowd. We were all thrown to the ground behind a wall and later ran for cover into the building. Three of the snipers were arrested.”



According to her, Chavez was about to explain what was happening in a live television broadcast but the state channel’s signal was cut just as he began to speak. Then, army generals arrived and went off for a meeting with Chavez, who some time later emerged in the custody of junta soldiers and was taken away. At that point radio and television announced the resignation of Chavez and began broadcasting upbeat messages: “Venezuela is finally free” was the banner across all private TV channels.



That account doesn’t rule out the possibility of anti-Chavez demonstrators having been shot, but it certainly adds an additional dimension to the story. It also confirms that the privately owned radio and TV are bitterly anti-Chavez and played an active part in the coup.



In a telephone interview carried out not long before his arrest and reprinted in the Mexican daily, La Journada, on 12 April, Chavez said that the media had been reporting events selectively and “giving a public voice to those who were calling for the violent overthrow of the government regardless of how many deaths this would cause”, which was why he had just suspended three TV stations from broadcasting.



Ms Bartley’s account of the restoration on Saturday, 13 April also confirms that the radio and TV were part of the plot:



“The media kept repeating footage of the swearing-in ceremony of the interim president [Pedro Carmona] which was followed by images of empty streets, everything in perfect tranquillity. We were about to book a ticket to Panama when a well-dressed passer-by told us to get off the streets. ‘The Chavistas are coming’, he said. It was Saturday afternoon.



“We took a taxi to the centre, where huge crowds had surrounded the palace, demanding the return of Chavez. We managed to get inside and found several Chavez deputies calling round the country to find out what was going on. A dozen people who were working for the interim government had been taken to a room in the basement for their own safety.



“Reports came in from around the country, barracks by barracks, like a Eurovision song contest jury, that the military was rebelling against the coup. …



“The television continued to broadcast a steady diet of soap operas, saying nothing about the huge mobilisation, which was now making a deafening racket outside. Then came the news that Chavez had been freed and was taking a helicopter to [the presidential palace at] Miraflores. The crowds went wild. The presidential guard made a tunnel from the palace gates to a helicopter pad across the street. The sound of choppers buzzing overhead.



“Then he was there, striding toward the palace, mobbed by supporters. It was like a dream, it's still hard to believe it really happened.”



The US Government wanted to see the back of Chavez and there is no doubt that they knew that a coup against Chavez was in the offing. The leading players in the conspiracy (including Pedro Carmona) had been to Washington in the previous few months and had met members of the Bush administration. After the event, the President’s spokesman, Ari Fleischer, made no secret of the fact the US officials knew a coup was being planned but claimed that they warned against (see his press briefing of 16 April).



At his press briefing on the Friday morning after the coup (12 April), far from condemning it as an unconstitutional seizure of power, Fleischer had portrayed the replacement of Chavez by Carmona as legitimate. He faithfully repeated the fable that the perpetrators of the coup had told, the crucial element of which is that Chavez had resigned. Not only that, prior to resigning he dismissed his vice-president, his constitutional successor. So, what else could be done but establish an interim president prior to holding an election?



Fleischer began by saying that “yesterday's events in Venezuela resulted in a change in the government and the assumption of a transitional authority until new elections can be held”. He went on to indict the Chavez government for provoking the crisis by suppressing peaceful demonstrations. Government supporters, on orders from the Chavez government, fired on unarmed, peaceful protestors, resulting in 10 killed and 100 wounded, he said. The Venezuelan military and the police refused to fire on the peaceful demonstrators and refused to support the government's role in such human rights violations. The government also tried to prevent independent news media from reporting on these events.



He concluded:



“The results of these events are now that President Chavez has resigned the presidency. Before resigning, he dismissed the vice president and the cabinet, and a transitional civilian government has been installed. This government has promised early elections.”



This fable of a constitutional handover of power to a civilian government committed to the democratic process might have held, had the interim president and his associates not dissolved the National Assembly and the Supreme Court a few hours later. That action made the fable unsustainable, and though the US Government would have dearly liked to go along with the overthrow of Chavez, it was no longer possible to maintain a democratic gloss on what had happened in Caracas the night before.



That Friday afternoon, heads of state of several Latin American countries – Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Costa Rica – spoke out against he illegal seizure of power, and so did the General Secretary of the Organisation of American States (OAS), Cesar Gaviria (who is a Columbian). The US President did not and, to the credit of the White House press corps, over the next few days Fleischer was tortured with questions about why, when all these heads of state had condemned the coup, President Bush had not.



However, the next day – Saturday, 13 April – the Permanent Council of the OAS met to consider the situation in Venezuela and was of a mind to condemn the coup. A resolution (811) was drawn up, the first clause of which was “To condemn the alteration of constitutional order in Venezuela”, and the US Government had no option to support it.



Chavez was restored to power later the same day. A number of factors contributed to his restoration. One was that by Friday afternoon it was clear that the OAS was not going to accept the new government as legitimate, despite the US being happy to treat it as such. The others were the support for Chavez in the Venezuelan population and in the lower ranks of the military that manifested itself in Caracas that Saturday.



The US administration has yet to condemn the military coup in Venezuela on 11 April or welcome the restoration of Chavez on 13 April by way of public statement. They have directed, and continue to direct, much harsher words at Chavez than at the people who overthrew him. It’s a racing certainty that, had their friend President Pastrana next door in Columbia been overthrown by FARC, we would have been blown away by rhetoric about democracy coming out of Washington – and the US military machine would have been deployed to put him back in power.



It is true that the US supported the OAS resolution of 13 April, which explicitly condemned the coup, but they had no option but to do that. Likewise, they had no option but to support a resolution passed by the 29th Special Session of the General Assembly of OAS on 18 April, the first clause of which was: “To express satisfaction at the restoration of the constitutional order and the democratically elected government of President Hugo Chávez Frías in the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela”. It must have stuck in their craw.
 

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Don't be praising Chavez, he is a dictator..make no mistake about it. It should also be noted that he first took power in a coup.

Like they killed Kennedy-like they killed MLK- now here is a man vying for Kook Of the Year 2010. The Empire will have him killed- like they did Lincoln. Im glad he cleared the air about this. He is also a 9/11 truther and has hailed William Rodreigez- supposedly the last man out of the WTC before it fell - as an American hero- for simply telling the truth.

Chavez is no fool. He nationalizes against the scumbag oil companies and they call him a socialist. HA!

He wouldnt go along with the price fixing and the gouging that the oil companies wanted him to do and sold gas to his people for 5 cents a gallon. That was very crude of him.:nohead:

For this Pat Robertson called upon all Christians to unite and pray to God for his assasination. :think2:


It all died down when the people said "Who the fuck is Pat Robertson?"
 

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Venezuela coup linked to Bush team

Specialists in the 'dirty wars' of the Eighties encouraged the plotters who tried to topple President Chavez

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The failed coup in Venezuela was closely tied to senior officials in the US government, The Observer has established. They have long histories in the 'dirty wars' of the 1980s, and links to death squads working in Central America at that time. Washington's involvement in the turbulent events that briefly removed left-wing leader Hugo Chavez from power last weekend resurrects fears about US ambitions in the hemisphere.
It also also deepens doubts about policy in the region being made by appointees to the Bush administration, all of whom owe their careers to serving in the dirty wars under President Reagan.
One of them, Elliot Abrams, who gave a nod to the attempted Venezuelan coup, has a conviction for misleading Congress over the infamous Iran-Contra affair.
The Bush administration has tried to distance itself from the coup. It immediately endorsed the new government under businessman Pedro Carmona. But the coup was sent dramatically into reverse after 48 hours.
Now officials at the Organisation of American States and other diplomatic sources, talking to The Observer, assert that the US administration was not only aware the coup was about to take place, but had sanctioned it, presuming it to be destined for success.
The visits by Venezuelans plotting a coup, including Carmona himself, began, say sources, 'several months ago', and continued until weeks before the putsch last weekend. The visitors were received at the White House by the man President George Bush tasked to be his key policy-maker for Latin America, Otto Reich.
Reich is a right-wing Cuban-American who, under Reagan, ran the Office for Public Diplomacy. It reported in theory to the State Department, but Reich was shown by congressional investigations to report directly to Reagan's National Security Aide, Colonel Oliver North, in the White House.
North was convicted and shamed for his role in Iran-Contra, whereby arms bought by busting US sanctions on Iran were sold to the Contra guerrillas and death squads, in revolt against the Marxist government in Nicaragua.
Reich also has close ties to Venezuela, having been made ambassador to Caracas in 1986. His appointment was contested both by Democrats in Washington and political leaders in the Latin American country. The objections were overridden as Venezuela sought access to the US oil market.
Reich is said by OAS sources to have had 'a number of meetings with Carmona and other leaders of the coup' over several months. The coup was discussed in some detail, right down to its timing and chances of success, which were deemed to be excellent.
On the day Carmona claimed power, Reich summoned ambassadors from Latin America and the Caribbean to his office. He said the removal of Chavez was not a rupture of democra tic rule, as he had resigned and was 'responsible for his fate'. He said the US would support the Carmona government.
But the crucial figure around the coup was Abrams, who operates in the White House as senior director of the National Security Council for 'democracy, human rights and international opera tions'. He was a leading theoretician of the school known as 'Hemispherism', which put a priority on combating Marxism in the Americas.
It led to the coup in Chile in 1973, and the sponsorship of regimes and death squads that followed it in Argentina, El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala and elsewhere. During the Contras' rampage in Nicaragua, he worked directly to North.
Congressional investigations found Abrams had harvested illegal funding for the rebellion. Convicted for withholding information from the inquiry, he was pardoned by George Bush senior.
A third member of the Latin American triangle in US policy-making is John Negroponte, now ambassador to the United Nations. He was Reagan's ambassador to Honduras from 1981 to 1985 when a US-trained death squad, Battalion 3-16, tortured and murdered scores of activists. A diplomatic source said Negroponte had been 'informed that there might be some movement in Venezuela on Chavez' at the beginning of the year.
More than 100 people died in events before and after the coup. In Caracas on Friday a military judge confined five high-ranking officers to indefinite house arrest pending formal charges of rebellion.
Chavez's chief ideologue - Guillermo Garcia Ponce, director of the Revolutionary Political Command - said dissident generals, local media and anti-Chavez groups in the US had plotted the president's removal.
'The most reactionary sectors in the United States were also implicated in the conspiracy,' he said.


FYI, they shot innocent people in a crowd in order to justify the coup.


Correction from earlier post: Chavez did not take power in a coup, the 1992 coup attempt failed.
 
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Uh oh, the far left Hollywood elite is not going to like this. Chavez officially off the "A" list now.
 

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Like they killed Kennedy-like they killed MLK- now here is a man vying for Kook Of the Year 2010. The Empire will have him killed- like they did Lincoln. Im glad he cleared the air about this. He is also a 9/11 truther and has hailed William Rodreigez- supposedly the last man out of the WTC before it fell - as an American hero- for simply telling the truth.

Chavez is no fool. He nationalizes against the scumbag oil companies and they call him a socialist. HA!

He wouldnt go along with the price fixing and the gouging that the oil companies wanted him to do and sold gas to his people for 5 cents a gallon. That was very crude of him.:nohead:

For this Pat Robertson called upon all Christians to unite and pray to God for his assasination. :think2:


It all died down when the people said "Who the fuck is Pat Robertson?"

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Nimue- dont go legal on me now.

Name one other world leader who had the guts to call out former president (Ive waited 8 years to say that) George Bush on his dictatorship? Name one who publicly calls 9/11 inside job?


Men like Chavez are holding up this transition the world has been prepped for to NWO status.

You might do well to pray that your new president would have half the guts that chavez has in dealing with the Illuminati. But we know he CFR- he's bought and paid for by the FED and will never refuse an order from Hank or Ben when they ask for more money- and they will ask for more- if they havent already. Thats the sad truth.

So fuck Chavez - maybe he's a "bad guy" lie you say but after what weve just gone throgh the last 8yrs what could top Bushes misdeeds. He's responsible for 1.5 million Iraqui civilian deaths - not Chavez. War crimes charges have been filed and hopefully we can recover our precious rights back over time with new legislation and the trashing of the fascist nazi propaganda booklet Patriot Act.
 

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Wherever you've been for the last few months without soiling the internet, go back there.
 

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LOL, riighhhht. As if Chavez's opinioin bears any weight.
 

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