Valpo LMU game

[SonnySixKill]

Valpo is leaving behind a starter so he can rest for their next league game. Are they basically writing off this game then? Take LMU?

 

[Recon792]

who's the starter being left back?

 

[Daytona]

[F] 02/16/2012 - Kevin Van Wijk expected to miss Friday vs. Loyola Marymount ( Knee )

 

[MrRodgers12]

that guy averages 14 points a game and 5 rebounds...according to statistics, he is there 2nd best scorer (valpo's top scorer scores 15 a game) 2nd best rebounder ( valpos best rebounder avg. 8 a game) has most shot blocks, most turnovers, and best FG % on team, also plays the 2nd most minutes

 

[Recon792]

so valp loses the 2nd leading scorer and the total keeps rising???
I'll prolly be playing the under on this game tonight.

 

[Bleeder]

Dam thanks for posting. Didnt see that. Im on Valpo and may need to hop off.

 

[Daytona]

they beat cleveland state at cleveland he only played 7 minutes and had 0 points beat them by 18

 

[Recon792]

just took a look at the total of 137 --- looks just about right-- maybe I'll lay off
maybe a 2nd half play

 

[SonnySixKill]

VALPARAISO | Bryce Drew is a competitor, but the Valparaiso men's basketball coach is also a realist.
While Drew would love for his Crusaders to travel to Los Angeles and upset Loyola Marymount in a nationally televised BracketBuster contest, the coach has his eyes on securing Valparaiso's first Horizon League title.
Doing that will give Valparaiso the right to host the conference tournament.


With Van Wijk out of the lineup, Richie Edwards will get the starting nod and the task of battling against Loyola Marymount senior big man Drew Viney (16.3 ppg). Edwards has scored at least 16 points in each of the last five games.

Read more: http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/coll...801-5b0f-9d45-f7040c714bbb.html#ixzz1meo1AOLy
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[SonnySixKill]

So what is the play if Richie Edwards is playing, does that help Valpo more now. Which side? Which total? Sounds like the coach is saying we care about the league game coming up instead of the game tonight.

 

[Daytona]

Richie had 20 at cleveland state


Valparaiso 59, Cleveland St. 41
Boxscore
Summary
Valparaiso at Cleveland St.
Final 1 2 T Odds Bet Final
VAL 29 30 59 8 Cover: +26
CLEST 17 24 41 131.5 Under: 100

Valparaiso Crusaders
REBOUNDS
PLAYER MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT A PF STL TO BLK PTS
Ryan Broekhoff 33:00 7-13 6-9 4-4 3 7 10 2 4 2 3 1 24
Kevin Van Wijk 7:00 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 0 0
Ben Boggs 15:00 1-4 0-1 0-0 0 2 2 4 1 0 1 0 2
Erik Buggs 30:00 2-5 0-1 4-8 1 6 7 3 1 0 0 0 8
Will Bogan 29:00 1-3 1-3 0-0 0 0 0 0 2 1 1 1 3
Richie Edwards 28:00 6-13 4-7 4-7 1 5 6 1 1 0 4 1 20
Hrvoje Vucic 5:00 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 1 0
Nick Shelton 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Jay Harris 26:00 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 1 0 1 2 1 0
Matt Kenney 27:00 1-2 0-1 0-0 0 6 6 1 3 2 4 0 2
Nathan Stegelmann 0:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
TOTAL 200 18-43 11-22 12-19 5 29 34 13 14 6 16 5 59
41.9% 50.0% 63.2% Team Rebs: 2 Total TO: 16
Cleveland St. Vikings
REBOUNDS
PLAYER MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT A PF STL TO BLK PTS
D'Aundray Brown 8:00 0-2 0-1 0-0 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0
Tim Kamczyc 38:00 2-5 0-0 2-2 2 4 6 1 1 3 1 0 6
Aaron Pogue 16:00 1-1 0-0 1-4 1 2 3 0 3 0 2 1 3
Trevon Harmon 40:00 3-13 1-6 0-0 0 2 2 1 1 3 1 0 7
Jeremy Montgomery 38:00 5-17 0-5 5-6 3 3 6 1 2 1 2 0 15
Devon Long 2:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Anton Grady 28:00 2-7 0-0 1-2 2 7 9 0 5 0 1 5 5
Marlin Mason 12:00 0-4 0-0 3-4 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 1 3
Charles Lee 18:00 1-5 0-1 0-0 0 2 2 0 3 1 2 0 2
TOTAL 200 14-54 1-13 12-18 10 22 32 3 15 9 10 7 41
25.9% 7.7% 66.7% Team Rebs: 2 Total TO: 10

 

[Bleeder]

Van Wijk was injured in the Cleveland ST game 7min 0 points which they won 59-41. Didnt play in the next game vs YoungSt and they lost. Played in the last game and scored 11pts in 22min. Seems Edwards has filled in nice coming off the bench but with the loss when Van Wijk was out, makes me now this its a no play for me.

 

[SonnySixKill]

LMU has a stronger SOS

http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2012/02/17/2012-02-17_valparaiso_vs_loyola-marymount

 

[SonnySixKill]

Line is -5 now, any reason for that. I think the under is the play, both teams have never played each other, it will take a few minute or the first half to figure each other out. Any thoughts on the under?

 

[HotAirMan]

just took a look at the total of 137 --- looks just about right-- maybe I'll lay off
maybe a 2nd half play

the over and under is about right on the money give or take a couple points
.
The LIONS @ home AVG.( division 1 teams ) 68 points per game....

The CRUSADERS away AVG. 66 points per game........

AVG> 134 total points .......

I like the VALPARAISO in this game. Plus the points.
This should be a 2 to 3 point game with the CRUSADERS maybe - winning out right.

 

[Shub]

Going against the public on this one. I like loyola -5 at home. Coming off a big Win on the road against smc. Some might see it as a let down spot which is very possible. Last 12 games they're 9-3 only losing to gonzaga and smc two good programs.

 

[thenatti]

Bracket Buster system game...just be careful on playing the under.

 

[GilRenard]

I bet Loyola here. Solid squad in (my opinion) a much tougher conference than the Horizon. True they were recently blown out by Gonzaga, but bounced back with a big road win against SM. I think they have enough scorers to give Valpo all they can handle.

 

[ScreaminPain]

This is the kind of thead that can by useful, unlike some of the drivel being spewed around this boards......

First, I have the total at 135 with Van Wijk playing and 133 without him....not much difference because Edwards has stepped up so well in his absence.

In addition, I use a proprietary formula that analyzes data for effieciency. I'm not going to debate its validity, only to mention that its very complete and complicated. These two teams are within 4 pts of each other. That doesn't equate to a line spread, but simply an evaluation.

However, using that data and applying it to previous similar matchups has shown that, historically, there is NO quantifiable advantage to either side. There have only been 3 games since Jan. 1st that fit all the paramaters.

I do note that Valpo shoots the ball more efficiently and gets to the line more often. I always am leery of a team getting extra possessions that is so proficient from the line. LM will win the rebounding game, but will it be enough? Tough matchup for me.....PASS!

Good Luck on your action...

 

[HotAirMan]

This is the kind of thead that can by useful, unlike some of the drivel being spewed around this boards......

First, I have the total at 135 with Van Wijk playing and 133 without him....not much difference because Edwards has stepped up so well in his absence.

In addition, I use a proprietary formula that analyzes data for effieciency. I'm not going to debate its validity, only to mention that its very complete and complicated. These two teams are within 4 pts of each other. That doesn't equate to a line spread, but simply an evaluation.

However, using that data and applying it to previous similar matchups has shown that, historically, there is NO quantifiable advantage to either side. There have only been 3 games since Jan. 1st that fit all the paramaters.

I do note that Valpo shoots the ball more efficiently and gets to the line more often. I always am leery of a team getting extra possessions that is so proficient from the line. LM will win the rebounding game, but will it be enough? Tough matchup for me.....PASS!

Good Luck on your action...

you may be right by passing on this game.
the spread opened @ -6.5 and now is @ -5.......
This game should stay close and in a close game I do like the points.
I see this game @ 2 to 3 points.