Using math to show how DEMOCRATS are responsible for the shutdown, and its purely political to NOT give Trump a "Win"

[rolltide]

Obama had a filibuster proof majority for only 4 months.


"Did President Obama have “total control” of Congress? Yes, for 4 entire months.

you don't think passing the, ahemm, stimulus package was a pretty important piece of legislation that was enacted in that 4 months? not to mention even before the 60 vote filibuster-proof they had 57-59 seats

nobody can be on here arguing that a 51/49 majority for two years is the same as a 57-60 guaranteed vote majority for two years. i haven't any clue why you're even trying to make that argument.

even more interesting is that Obama and the libs had the Dream Act AND comprehensive immigration reform ready to go and GOP was powerless to stop it yet here we are 10 years later with a govt getting held hostage by the Dems that could have passed this stuff a decade ago. Guess who was in charge then on the Senate side. wait for it....Chuck Schumer. Guess who was Speaker of the House then? hold on, wait, it's was uh....hmm...oh right, Nancy Pelosi

Obama/Pelosi/Schumer didn't wait for strong bipartisan approval before shoving through Obamacare and an $831B stimulus package but that's the lies that Chuck-Nancy-Barry are telling you libs on why they didn't pass sweeping immigration reform when it was ready to be approved with a helpless GOP. Now all of a sudden, 10 years later, it's the most important platform in Washington? bullfuckingshit

 

[Dave007inVegas]

The problem I see is all politicians want to is endlessly discuss and never act. That is how
the swamp survives.

Blame Trump if you must for not draining the swamp but I dare anyone to name another Republican
who would even attempt to do so.

As long as Trump doesn't capitulate I'm fine with a stalemate.

You really want to stop illegals from crossing the border? Send as many troops as necessary and
clearly define killing fields. It would take all of about one day and they will all go back to
where they came from. The incentive for coming to the USA would be greatly diminished.

 

[theDonger]

donger i think you're confused about how many votes it takes in the senate to pass a bill. it's 60 out of 100 and GOP only had a 51-49 edge in membership last year. yes 51/100 is a majority but it's a meaningless majority when it comes to the Senate

Obama's first two years in office had not only control of both House and Senate but his Senate majority included 59 reliable Democratic votes just one shy of filibuster-proof control. It's a lot easier to swing 1 vote your way than it is 9 votes

51 vs 49
59 vs 41 (57 dems + Sanders + Lieberman)

that is a massive difference!

I'm not confused, it takes 51 votes to pass a bill out of the senate. Over the past two years, Mike Pence came in and broke a bunch 50-50 tie votes as the president of the Senate. The 60 vote threshold you speak of is needed to break a filibuster from the opposing party -- something that McConnell used a bunch during the Obama presidency. This is not a criticism of McConnell, as the minority leader you should use every tool possible to make your case. For right or wrong, one could make the argument that McConnell obstructed Obama's agenda quite a bit with that filibuster.

I will concede the point that Obama had a larger Democratic majority in congress, but please don't call them 'reliable' democratic votes. For starters, I wouldn't consider Lieberman a democrat and there were plenty of Blue Dogs that voted against their own party. If memory serves, I think a couple of Republican votes were needed to pass Obamacare.

One thing I will credit republican lawmakers for -- is that they certainly know how to fall in line as a caucus and support whatever agenda they are trying to push. Democrats usually fail miserably in this regard.

edit: double-checked my facts. 58 dem votes and 2 independent votes in US Senate to approve the ACA

 

[Dave007inVegas]

I'm not confused, it takes 51 votes to pass a bill out of the senate. Over the past two years, Mike Pence came in and broke a bunch 50-50 tie votes as the president of the Senate. The 60 vote threshold you speak of is needed to break a filibuster from the opposing party -- something that McConnell used a bunch during the Obama presidency. This is not a criticism of McConnell, as the minority leader you should use every tool possible to make your case. For right or wrong, one could make the argument that McConnell obstructed Obama's agenda quite a bit with that filibuster.

I will concede the point that Obama had a larger Democratic majority in congress, but please don't call them 'reliable' democratic votes. For starters, I wouldn't consider Lieberman a democrat and there were plenty of Blue Dogs that voted against their own party. If memory serves, I think a couple of Republican votes were needed to pass Obamacare.

One thing I will credit republican lawmakers for -- is that they certainly know how to fall in line as a caucus and support whatever agenda they are trying to push. Democrats usually fail miserably in this regard.

edit: double-checked my facts. 58 dem votes and 2 independent votes in US Senate to approve the ACA

Funny how people have different views. Mine is the complete opposite of yours.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Funny how people have different views. Mine is the complete opposite of yours.

Haha, mine as well. Funny, indeed.

 

[SheriffJoe]

I'm not confused, it takes 51 votes to pass a bill out of the senate. Over the past two years, Mike Pence came in and broke a bunch 50-50 tie votes as the president of the Senate. The 60 vote threshold you speak of is needed to break a filibuster from the opposing party -- something that McConnell used a bunch during the Obama presidency. This is not a criticism of McConnell, as the minority leader you should use every tool possible to make your case. For right or wrong, one could make the argument that McConnell obstructed Obama's agenda quite a bit with that filibuster.

I will concede the point that Obama had a larger Democratic majority in congress, but please don't call them 'reliable' democratic votes. For starters, I wouldn't consider Lieberman a democrat and there were plenty of Blue Dogs that voted against their own party. If memory serves, I think a couple of Republican votes were needed to pass Obamacare.

One thing I will credit republican lawmakers for -- is that they certainly know how to fall in line as a caucus and support whatever agenda they are trying to push. Democrats usually fail miserably in this regard.

edit: double-checked my facts. 58 dem votes and 2 independent votes in US Senate to approve the ACA

Your memory is wrong. Not a single Republican voted for Obamacare - the most expensive partisan social legislation in decades.

 

[theDonger]

Your memory is wrong. Not a single Republican voted for Obamacare - the most expensive partisan social legislation in decades.

Check the last sentence of mine that you quoted.

 

[festeringZit]