USC vs V.TECH...............SATURDAY

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE SHRINK:
ATX,

I don't really care what you think but I took the points and Va Tech...

This is a very well coached team that wll be ready for this big game...

Best of Luck,

THE SHRINK <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Iowa was a BETTER coached team in the ORANGE BOWL 2 years ago and they got swamped by USC.

This is a scary game to bet.
 

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This game will be similar to last seasons opener vs Auburn. 24 points From USC would be an excellent outing. Ten points from VTech is not out of consideration with good special teams play and field position positives. Randall is a good and athletic QB and can get a couple of decent shots down field. +17.5 on a (almost Home) dog with talent is a play I like.
 

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Line movement on this game has been quite interesting with the run-up on USC starting with the opening line and then money coming in on Virginia Tech beginning yesterday and strong today. It is creating some excellent middles at 18, 17 and even to a lesser extent, the odd number of 16. I had originally thought that the line would not continue up toward 20 or 21, but rather come back down to 17 with so many siding with the Hokies. Still, find the current line movement quite significant as it continues lower. How low will it go?
 

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I gotta believe it comes back up to -16.5 or -17

Not sure, like you said, amazing movement.

PS- I am royally screwed as it stands now.
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Fish:

It appears to me that it is very possible the bottom may actually reach 14 as some shops currently stand at 15 already. I planned on passing this game and most likely will regardless, but if the number reaches 14 or below, the Trojans become very tempting.
 

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Considering this is the first game of the season, and in on national TV, and the only game in town in college, involves the number one team in the nation, I don't think the line moves are all that extreme.

If I am not mistaken the first game last year was Kansas St and Cal. Also if I am not mistaken the line was all over theplace in that game, up and down around 26.5 and 27, got up to -30, and closed at around 28.

K St won by 14, and was never close to covering that game.

Like I say I could be wrong, but it is the first one I see in my schedule.
 

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Even with a SEA of square money flowing on USC, the line is down to 15.5.

Sharp betting strategy says that line moves upward are often dumb money, line moves down are rarely so.

If the line went to +11, I'd be convinced VTech is the 'right' side, for example. NO THANK YOU, to any perceived USC bargains.
 

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Fishhead,

Hope you got off the game. The reason the line never went back up to 17 is because the WISE GUYS I know actually took 18's, 17 1/2's, and even 17's, with some followers also taking the worse of the number...

Apparently, too, the sharper books held the line at 16 or so to induce PUBLIC to bet SOUTHERN CAL, which they did...

Congrats to those of you who WON...

Not a bad game at all to watch...

THE SHRINK
 

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congrats Shrink..nice call.... I think fishy is a little sad this AM....give him time to recover
 

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When I saw Pinnacle throwing out USC -15.5 for a time on Saturday, I was feeling very good about the 17.5 I was able to get earlier in the day. I was actually kind of shocked when I saw this line last week. Nice to start out 1-0. I've got a big one i'm looking at Thursday evening!!
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE SHRINK:
Fishhead,

Hope you got off the game. The reason the line never went back up to 17 is because the WISE GUYS I know actually took 18's, 17 1/2's, and even 17's, with some followers also taking the worse of the number...

Apparently, too, the sharper books held the line at 16 or so to induce PUBLIC to bet SOUTHERN CAL, which they did...

Congrats to those of you who WON...

Not a bad game at all to watch...

THE SHRINK <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I was able to get off two thirds of my wager at +18, but I wanted to get 100% of it.

Thought I would have a decent chance to do so at the quarter or halftime, but it never came to be.
 

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Good call SHRINK. Hopefully many more to come. Take away a whistle here and a whistle there and VT wins outright.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE SHRINK:
Fishhead,

Hope you got off the game. The reason the line never went back up to 17 is because the WISE GUYS I know actually took 18's, 17 1/2's, and even 17's, with some followers also taking the worse of the number...

Apparently, too, the sharper books held the line at 16 or so to induce PUBLIC to bet SOUTHERN CAL, which they did...

Congrats to those of you who WON...

Not a bad game at all to watch...

THE SHRINK <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess I must be the wisest guy since I took VT +19.5 about 5 days ago, through a guy in town. But does it matter? Or are the guys that got the +20.5 at a couple shops even wiser still? USC wasn't close to covering any of those numbers anyways. I also put up some reasoning about 2.5 days before the game when it was still widely available at that 18.5. Does that matter. It wasn't even a real opinion, but what I had seen at practices, and anyone that watched the game saw that it was pretty accurate.

That goes along with some things in this thread, and in other forums I saw. Guys posted VT +16.5 and +17 as their plays, with no real reasons whatsoever.

Obviously they won, but let's play the "if" game. What if they (USC) won by 17? Is it still a "good call". Obviously it doesn't matter in this case. But when guys like throwing around words like "sharp" and "wise" isn't that the basic premise? To avoid those possibilities and "ifs".

If someone had put VT up 3 or 4 days ago at +18.5 would that have been a "better call"? Or because both won anyway does it really matter?

That is why I laugh when I see people sweat these line moves so much. Go back through this thread and look at the number of guys that got off this game because of theline move. Then look at the guys that finally bet USC when they hit rock bottom. They did exactly what the books wanted. They steered guys away from a winner one way, and sucked guys into a loser the other. In the end NO numbeer they had posted was in jeopardy either way. Meaning even the guys that took the middle shot didn't even have a chance, so they still lost the vig one way.

Kind of ironic for a guy like me to be talking about this, since I am a notorious scalper in baseball, but in football and other spread based sports I have always said, don't sweat those line moves. Said it before this game. Said that if you did lose on a line move, it was bad luck, not being wise or unwise.

Shrink even said in the quote followers took the "worse" number. How is it worse if it stil wins? But, even though I say linemoves don't really matter, taking a 15.5 or 16 when you could have had 18 or better for a week isn't "smart". It is still a winner, but over the long haul you will undoubtedly get caught taking numbers that far off once in awhile. But in the grand scheme if you make enough plays they will be absorbed. But when you have so long to take that number take it. If it moves a hlaf point against you it is a no brainer if youl ike that side, but it is assinine to wait and watch it drop out of the clouds, then bet it at the bottom.

This is mostly a tongue in cheek post, but if you go back and read this thread from the beginning and see how it developed, you might find my points are pretty well substantiated.


By no means do I think I am sharp, but according to some people's definition I probably could be characterized that way.
 

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