US News & WR--A Mess of Missing Ordnance

[stacilu]

November 8th issue concludes that despite the war of words between Kerry and Bush concering missing explosives Defense Intelligence Agency documents indicate that the problem was much larger than the explosives taken from al Qaqaa. This report, also confirmed by Kay that attacks using such weapons "have grown at a substained rate" also "they retain access to virtually all the weapons systems and ordnances previously controlled by the Iraqui military" it concluded "unsecured arms depots and storage sites, in addition to open and black market availability of weapons and ammunition eliminate the need for the (insurgents) to maintain a formidable arsenal."

The article asks the question "why the Pentagon war planners made no more extensive plans for controlling Saddam's vast weapons stores." This in spite of the warnings the the International Atomic Energy Agency gave about the possibility of these activities at al Qaqaa and warned about the high explosive
held there.

Just another example of how little thought was given by anyone in this adminstration concering the war and the control of the area after the "fighting" was over.

It may seem ironic to some that Americans are being killed by weapons that should have been confiscated or destroyed. I will wager it does not seem ironic to the families of those kids. Almost as a daily ritual we are discovering the incredible errors made by this administration. And just as a ending thought, these are only the errors we are discovering, how many more that will never be discovered and how many Americans are being lost because of it.

 

[eek.]

The Oil carve up and those no-bid contracts took priority.

how many more that will never be discovered and how many Americans are being lost because of it.

The IAEA had data on loads of places.
The Neocons kept them out of Iraq to suppress the extent of lost material.

 

[TomKing]

If Kerry was in office Saddam would still be in power that is about as simple as it gets.
Not only would he have access to 380 tons of munitions but 440,000 more tons we have already destroyed. The torture chambers would still be doing business in his jails and the mass graves would still be covered. YOu know for libs that supposedly champion idividual and civil rights you guys are backing a brutal dictator in the argument.

 

[stacilu]

If Kerry was in office Saddam would still be in power that is about as simple as it gets.
Not only would he have access to 380 tons of munitions but 440,000 more tons we have already destroyed. The torture chambers would still be doing business in his jails and the mass graves would still be covered. YOu know for libs that supposedly champion idividual and civil rights you guys are backing a brutal dictator in the argument.

You see Tom, this is what annoys many of us about you cons.
How do you know that Saddam would still be in power? if my memory
serves correctly Kerry was adamant about sanctions and the sanctions
just happened to be the toughest ever imposed on any regime. How
do you know that he would not have been assassinated? I know
for sure, that I don't know? How do you know these things Tom?
Wasn't it you who questioned me about "How do I know about his
Christianity?" Obviously, I don't. And obviously you don't know either.
You make an assumption and base you entire argument on it, that
is a no no.

 

[TomKing]

Sanctions DID NOT work for 12 years......Saddam had a KNOWN oil for food backroom deals going. this is what worries me about Dems........you think sanctions would have work when for 12 years THEY DIDN'T work. What was going to make them work. What really bothers me is that we are a safer country and world with Saddam in jail and you can't just say ..........yes you are right we are safer...the world is safer. The war was a just cause. The torture chambers are not in business, the mass graves have been uncovered, the dictator has been jailed..........it is a good thing isn't it?

Staci answer one question......Is it a good thing Saddam is in Jail?

 

[Jointpleasure]

Great post Tom,
A strong Bush mandate means America and the corrupt UN will have a showdown as well. This is the greatest fear of the libs.

 

[Pocket1's]

If Kerry were in office OBL would be dead not running freely because of the Bush Iraq mistake

 

[Jointpleasure]

Osama's speach was full of democratic talking points. James Carville could not have said it any better for Kerry, than Osama.

 

[stacilu]

Tom


No, I don't think the world is safer. And I think the majority of
evidence shows that terrorism is much more visible and rampant
than it was before the invasion of Iraq.

Is it a good thing that Saddam is in jail? Of course it is a good
thing that he is in jail. It would be a good thing if another
10 or 12 dictators would be dead or in jail. What should we
do, invade? Maybe, nuke them. We are not the safety cop
of the world. We must be concerned about keeping our forces
strong, right now they are weakened. And for what, Osama is
not in Iraq. No terrorism from Iraq, no WMD in Iraq, the man
was contained, he was a big blow hard trying to bluff the world
about his weapons in order not to be invaded. But, our
intelligent intelligence agencies were convinced who in turn
convinced the crowd surrounding the President. It was a
colossal error. If someone can convince me that it is almost
over and our soldiers are coming home soon, I might be persuaded
to say well we lost 1000 plus innocents. Iraq lost tens of thousands
of innocents, but it is over. That is not the case, this struggle
will continue for 10 to 20 more years. This number coming from
John McCain. Doing some elementary math, that could possibly
mean 10,000 plus dead on our side and hundreds of thousands on
the Iraqi side. What about the money? How many billlions?
Is it worth it? Think, is it really worth it?

 

[TomKing]

There are TERROIST ALL OVER IRAQ and we are engaged with them everywhere in that country. The "insurgents" are the terroist ....Al Qaeda and others....of course the terroist are in Iraq. There is a war on terroism.....we may as well have a stronghold in a part of the world they are in. War is hell but necessary when engaged. Do not fool yourself saying we are not fighting terriost.

 

[stacilu]

Tom


Yes you are right, but they weren't there before the invasion.
This is my point. Our invasion brought the terrorists.

 

[TomKing]

Staci

That is my point.........we are at war with terroist......they are in Iraq we are fighting them, Saddam is in jail. Al Qaeda has BEEN crippled, OBL is doing his best Henry Kissinger because his organization is in tatters, and we are fighting the terroist. Afghanistan just held elections were in 90% of registered voted including WOMEN!!. I would say the war on terroism is in effect on middle east soil.

 

[hansenbros.]

staci

i'm very sorry if this offends you, but you are exactly what scares me about this election -- a completely uninformed, mis-guided doltish militant for kerry.

sanctions????
even common sensible liberals say they were/are a joke.

we are not safer????
when was the last terrorist attack on our soil?????
prior to bush we were attacked several times -- wtc bombing, embassy bombings, oklahoma; since -- NOTHING!

our invasion brought the terrorists???
you could be the most simple man on this forum -- my God!!!

was iraq worth it???
we lost 60,000 in an unprovoked war in vietnam, we lost 300 in an unprovoked war in bosnia, thousands in an unprovoked war in korea -- and need i remind you of hitler??? and we were there for years and years fighting nazi insurgents -- freedom isn't free my friend!!!! don't be such a coward!

qaqaa???

it has been documented that we removed and destroyed approx 250 of those 380 tons -- get your facts straight!!! and if you truly support our military like you insinuate -- then you would concentrate on the commendable efforts we've made confiscating 440,000 tons and not be sooo preoccupied with the 380 or is there an alternative agenda??

you need to become more informed or at least INFORMED!!!


lol

 

[docmercer--banned]

Lets face facts ...

Bush sold the war on the concept Hussein was an "imminent threat" ...

Really, to who??? Israel did not have Iraq in their top 5 threats when Junior launched this war .. and the Israeli intelligence regarding this part of the world is one hellva lot stronger than the good Ol USA ...

Hell, if Bush wanted to get rid of Hussein ... he should have just written a check for 50 million to the Mossad and let them do what they are in the best in the world at

 

[stacilu]

Hansen

Don't ever concern yourself with offending me. Everything you
say is bs. If we are so safe in your silly opinion. Then please
tell me why this administration has us on alert every third week.. I don't know any "common sense" liberals that say the
sanctions are a joke. My goodness the man you all call a "liberal" JK,
tell me they were working. And of course our invasion brought
the terrorists, it is only common sense and everybody on the
planet knows it but you. And tell me what does the loss
of men in other wars have to do with this argument. And you
talk about being uninformed. Please.

 

[PatPatriot]

You forgot to mention the 400,000 tons that were destroyed.

If Kerry was pres. they would still have the 400K tons. that has been destroyed.