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Tyranny, Thy Name is Flat Tax
Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

The "Coalition Provisional Authority" (the US government) in Iraq has instituted a 15 percent tax in Iraq based on the view that "these collections are for the benefit of the Iraqi people." The US will tax income, the transfer of "real property," car sales, and gasoline. The US claims that this is a lower tax than Saddam had, but this is only true in the most technical legal sense.

The truth is that Iraqis paid no internal taxes under his regime. Many industries were nationalized and the oil revenue itself funded the regime, just as with many other governments in the region. For average Iraqis, even poorer than before, this represents an enormous tax increase, one imposed by martial law.

Of course there is no chance that the government can collect the tax, and thank goodness. It's bad enough to live under foreign military occupation. But to have that same regime attempt to loot private property to fund the government is nothing short of ghastly. And yet the news gets worse: this tax is being celebrated by some members of the Supply-Side School of economics.

Austrians and Supply Siders have long been in agreement that taxes should be lower. But on the level of theory, a disagreement has long festered. The Supply Siders have emphasized how the right tax rate can be both encouraging of production and yield maximum revenue for the government.

Austrians have said that maximum revenue should not be the goal of tax policy; rather the best tax system is the one that does the least possible damage to the market economy. No tax encourages production. Even the best tax discourages production. Therefore, the economic ideal is zero taxes and the best possible tax reform is one that lowers any and all taxes as low as possible.

But Supply Siders reject this view. They hold the position that taxes are a positive good, provided that they are flat and simple, with no special deductions permitted. The usual rate they suggest is 15 percent. This was the position that Steve Forbes took when he ran for president some years ago, and it turned out to cost him dearly in the polls. Why? While the flat tax would mean lower tax for some, it would mean higher taxes for those who enjoy current deductions such as the child tax credit and the mortgage interest deduction. This seriously harmed Forbes's presidential bid.

Fast forward to today, when Iraq has become the favorite playground of Washington conservatives, a place in which they can impose policies that have been resisted in the US due to political considerations. Yes, the setting is rather perverse. After all, the US caused far more damage to the country than Saddam would have ever gotten away with, and now presides over a level of political instability that rivals some of the worst civil unrest we've seen anywhere in the world in a century. So long as the US operates a militarized occupation government, such unrest will continue.

A host of absurdities have emerged. While invoking the classical liberal tradition, even the name Hayek, the neoconservatives are running a military dictatorship, confiscating weapons from the people, urging emigration barriers from neighboring states, censoring the press, imposing curfews, mandating ID cards, arresting and jailing people without trial, and imposing arbitrary violence. Elsewhere in this issue, D.W. MacKenzie discusses the case of the imposition of a phone monopoly.

It is in the Iraqi tax system that imperialism and Supply-sideism meet. How did Supply Siders respond to the news of the new flat tax in Iraq? "It's extremely good news," Grover Norquist told the Washington Post. Bruce Bartlett added: "It is gratifying." Amity Shlaes, who wrote a good book on the evil of taxes only last year, said: "Such low rates will put Iraq on par with Hong Kong."

These comments may seem like they come from another planet, but what they reveal is the willingness of this crowd to press onward with the imposition of their abstractions while completely disregarding the existing realities. It is not just theory gone mad; it is bad theory gone mad. Even if the tax were enforceable, it can only harm production in a country that is already suffering beyond comprehension.

But let us at least assume that these Supply Siders are sincere, that they really believe that imposing a tax of this sort is good for Iraq. It puts in very sharp relief their fundamental error of believing that a tax can be neutral to the market so long as it is flat and low (though low is a relative term; the founding fathers overthrew British rule for far less).

Taxes are just another word for property confiscation. They forcibly take from some and give to others, and always and everywhere represent a violent imposition on the market. In a country already rife with violence, taxes are not advisable in any sense.


Making matters even more grotesque, the tax is not applicable to the government, the military running the country, the government contractors and subcontractors, or any goods and services used or imported even for nonofficial uses. In short, it is an undisguised attempt to loot the population for the benefit of the ruling elite, and a clear act of despotism.

In any case, with the Bush administration demanding billions upon billions to run the occupation, one might think that the US in Iraq is well funded enough, and would not need additional revenue. And wasn't this the regime that claimed it could fund itself out of oil revenue, and pay for the entire reconstruction this way in addition? Of course this can't happen so long as the government can't get the oil production and distribution system up and working.

Austrians and Supply Siders have worked together for a very long time on their points of agreement. But there comes a time when even the smallest difference in theory turns out to have a huge impact in practice. We can think of many issues that fall into such a category. The imposition of a flat tax on Iraq is one of those. The Supply Siders have finally found their playground, and they turn out to be the biggest bullies of all.

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Phaedrus, need your help with one question on this -- regarding a flat tax, of which I am a proponent (no deductions), the author cites Forbes as the posterchild for why the introduction of flat taxes amount to political suicide. However, there really is no explanation (beyond that taxes are really really bad regardless of their form) to explain why a flat tax in practice would not be ideal over our current systems. In my view, a flat tax (and I don't think 15% needs to be set in stone) would eliminate red tape and the bulk of Revenue Canada and the IRS. Tax breaks only seem to allow scheming and tax evasion by those who can afford it and, again, add to the red tape. Please, if you are so inclined, elaborate on the author's insistence that a flat tax system would not be preferable over the current system (if you can do that without advocating full tax abolition.)

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Judge Wapner:
That should help win over the people.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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But it does kinda fit in nicely with the entire crazy situation over there.
 

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The near-80% unemployment rate while watching foreigners hog reconstruction contracts as locals are deemed 'far too unskilled' by the West, is helping things move along nicely as well.
 

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posed by xpanda:
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Phaedrus, need your help with one question on this -- regarding a flat tax, of which I am a proponent (no deductions), the author cites Forbes as the posterchild for why the introduction of flat taxes amount to political suicide. However, there really is no explanation (beyond that taxes are really really bad regardless of their form) to explain why a flat tax in practice would not be ideal over our current systems. In my view, a flat tax (and I don't think 15% needs to be set in stone) would eliminate red tape and the bulk of Revenue Canada and the IRS. Tax breaks only seem to allow scheming and tax evasion by those who can afford it and, again, add to the red tape. Please, if you are so inclined, elaborate on the author's insistence that a flat tax system would not be preferable over the current system (if you can do that without advocating full tax abolition.)
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As Rockwell mentions above, Forbes' flat tax proposal was a major turn-off to the middle class in America (who are the ones most likely to benefit from the child tax credit and the mortgage interest deduction, both of which [among other deductions] would have been eliminated in the event that the Forbes plan was implemented.)

A flat tax without deductions would be a lot better than what we have now -- the budget for the IRS has now topped $ 10 billion per year and it still falls far short of meeting its stated purpose (not that I want it to, since this would be expensive to me personally and morally.) But even better than a flat tax would be a flat-fee tax -- i.e. a fixed amount of money versus a fixed percentage of income, which could only be paid for if the government trimmed its operations back to that which is actually neccesary for running the administrative and defence aspects of the country. While this is not likely to ever happen, I hardly feel that it's an unreasonable dream, since that's all it's supposed to do.

We could do it in stages, by going to a flat tax with stipulations for the very rich and the very poor (despite what anyone has to say on the subject, it is ludicrous to suggest that an average American should pay $ 5,250.00 in income taxes and that Bill Gates should pay $ 675 million per year) and then progressing to either a flat-fee tax or a flat-rate sales tax (because the taxation of consumption, rather than of production, makes better economic sense and removes the disincentive to produce from the entreprenuers and ventrue capitalists who actually create the stuff we enjoy so much in our day-to-day lives.)

Unfortunately, like our healthcare system, despite the fact that almost any other system of taxation would be better than the one we have been building for the last 90 years or so, few politicians will attempt any real shake-down of an entrenched bureacractic institution like the Treasury Department. It would be political suicide, and since the goal of a career in politics is generally to prolong that career for as long as possible in order to maximise political clout, it is about as likely to happen as it is for me to move to Germany and join the Social Democrats.


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Flat taxes don't necessarily have to be 100% flat. They could be graduated as well, but since it is only high income individuals that are condoning it you won't hear that angle on it.

No taxes surely is the most ideal situation economically, but it just doesn't work. No government means no framework for that economy to function properly. Since Iraq probably has little chance of functioning for long without taxes, best to institute them now when it is the US running the show and avoid the backlash that would come to a new Iraqi government if they did this in the near future.

Taxes are never popular, but a necessary evil. No country should expect one industry to shoulder the burden of society on their backs alone. That model has been tried many times in the last few centuries and it has NEVER worked for long, it just encourages massive boom and bust cycles that make lives for citizens very difficult.
 

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posted by WildBill:
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Flat taxes don't necessarily have to be 100% flat. They could be graduated as well, but since it is only high income individuals that are condoning it you won't hear that angle on it.
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Isn't a flat tax that is graduated a graduated tax?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
No taxes surely is the most ideal situation economically, but it just doesn't work. No government means no framework for that economy to function properly. Since Iraq probably has little chance of functioning for long without taxes, best to institute them now when it is the US running the show and avoid the backlash that would come to a new Iraqi government if they did this in the near future.
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Why can't Iraq do what pretty much every other Arab nation does and fund itself out of oil revenues? I know where they can find a few tens of millions of SUV drivers who will be glad to accomodate.

As far as "no taxes=good but bad" goes, what you seem to be really saying is that government cannot exist without stealing money. How government can only exist via force and still be a good thing escapes me entirely.

If you mean government cannot exist without revenue then of course you are correct, but there are a couple of them that function without income or sales tax, funding themselves entirely out of excises and/or service fees. At one point the entire British Empire was funded by the sale of annuities, and all the booty that came from raping and pillaging other countries was just largesse for the royalty, church and political classes to divide amongst themselves and enjoy.

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Taxes are never popular, but a necessary evil.
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"The twentieth century proved, if you were paying any attention, that taxation is the great enemy of civilization. How do you think Hitler paid for that army? With voluntary contributions? How did Stalin pay for the Gulag Archipelago? With bake sales? Ultimately, all the hot, warm, and cold wars and genocides and classicides and nuclearicides of the dismal twentieth century were paid for by taxation. Barbarism is the price we pay for taxation."

--James Ostrowski


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
No country should expect one industry to shoulder the burden of society on their backs alone. That model has been tried many times in the last few centuries and it has NEVER worked for long, it just encourages massive boom and bust cycles that make lives for citizens very difficult.
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Very true.


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Believe me, the problem with those Arab countries is that everything is funded out of oil royalties and it just creates a mess. You basically lock yourself into being a wildly cyclical economy and that is a nightmare.

Much of Mexico's problems are rooted squarely in their dependence on oil revenues. They were on track to be a South Korea type story in the late 70s, but they decided that they would make lots of money forever. The government started stealing more and more money and spent lavishly on the limited groups that kept them in power. They even borrowed heavily against future revenues saying it was to move the country forward, but actually there was too much money around. Inflation kicked up and the temptation to steal became too strong. When prices dropped in the early 80s the country went to pieces. To this day they still depend greatly on oil revenues even as the amount dwindles as a percentage of GDP. They won't invest in their oil fields or production so they are getting worse off every year and it is because they have to pay their budget with oil money. When things are good and the budget is flush with money, they spend it and create entitlements and industries that thrive purely on the government. When things go bad these things all reverse and everything suffers. You just can't do things this way as a boom/bust economy cause huge inefficiencies like ridiculous interest rates, lacking credit issuance, and worst of all people acting irrationally when it comes to taking jobs or starting businesses. If you knew the chances were high that the economy would tank seriously in the next 5 years, would you start a business? How about switch from a job where you have 15 years seniority and work for a company that has the resources to survive a major downturn? If tax revenues are in place, the downturns are less significant and the country can survive poor times with rainy day funds if they are prudent. If you tax your people, they tend to force you to be more prudent with their money than if you just always take something off the top and give them some when you have it.

Proper tax policy is a benchmark of all strong governments and economies. South Korea taxes their economy a lot more than the US, but it isn't slowing their development down. No country ever brings itself to prosperity by under taxing their economies. Over taxation is bad, but the notion that not taxing or keeping taxes extremely low is good for economic growth is something that lives merely in theory and has never worked in practice. You can't harness the power of your population and economy if there isn't good health, education, roads/transportation, governance (especially a professional court system and central bank), and most of all a professional government that is paid good salaries. If you don't pay the government good salaries, they just make the money anyways through corruption and that hurts economies enormously. These things all cost money and if you go cheap on them the consequences aren't good.

I think by forcing Iraqis to pay taxes and accept they are all in paying for a stronger country with better infrastructure they can thrive a lot better than what you see in places like Saudi and Kuwait where the people all just try to get cushy government jobs thanks to oil industry largesse.
 

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posted by WildBill:
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Believe me, the problem with those Arab countries is that everything is funded out of oil royalties and it just creates a mess. You basically lock yourself into being a wildly cyclical economy and that is a nightmare.
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I understand what you're saying, but the examples you listed are almost all the direct result of shitty planning and avarice, nothing to do with the oil itself. Not all oil-rich nations would go under if they lost their oil, because many of those nations -- especially OPEC -- understand that the oil isn't going to last forever, and work to invest oil revenue into economic diversification, infrastructure, etc.

Iraq's oil reserves represent a substantial economic opportunity for the country to turn itself around fiscally, if applied responsibly -- they won't be, of course, but the fact remains regardless.


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I reject the idea that taxes represent 'stealing' from the populace.

In fact they are an agreed shared use of resources by the populace.

Unfortunately, such consensus becomes less fair to all the larger your pool of participants.

Federal taxes are of course the least representative of those being taxed. Most of us upon careful examination of federal spending would find a larger percentage of items we do NOT endorse than at the state, county or municipal level. In this sense then, it is not such bad semantics to suggest that a major portion of my federal tax dollars are 'stolen' from me to be used for purposes of which I strongly disapprove.

Of course, each of us could make our own list of purposes we disagree with, but that list is larger, the bigger the tax jurisdiction.

This is why I work hard to reduce the size of federal governments in preference to better utilizing (in descending order of preference) municipal, county and state programs.
 

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Would be interested in your opinions about the consumtion tax proposed at www.fairtax.org

Phaedrus and others feel free to comment.....I have looked at the whole thing and to me it makes sense......maybe I'm missing something..

...I guess also if it seems like it would make sense, then we might as well forget about the govt adopting it....

curious to know if any more people signed onto this thing.....
 

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I think India uses this kind of 'sales tax' system already.
It saves administrating the tax details of a billion people.(which is useful)
Only about 10,000 actually pay income tax (the wealthiest I presume)
 

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I agree with the FairTax.org people insofar as taxing consumption makes a lot more sense than taxing production, but they have a fatal flaw in their legislation: in Sec. 102 if the Fair Tax Act they repeal the payroll tax, yet leave Social Security and the other things towards which that money goes intact, with only the vaguest reference as to what sort of plan would be put in place to offset the loss of income. Mind you, I personally don't care if they announce that the giant Ponzi scheme of Social Security is over first thing tomorrow, but in a wider sense there would be utter pandemonium if the government attempted to pull the funding from the Social Security/Medicare scam.


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Consumption taxes would be difficult because our economy is so driven merely by consumption. A third world country or even some developing countries could benefit from it, but a country that lives and dies because of its consumer spending really is asking for trouble depending on a consumption tax. Part of the reason why Europe is in such a slow growth cycle is their high VAT rates and excise taxes. That severly restricts the consumer economy. Europeans will tell you it is smart to avoid lower paying service and retail jobs, but that just creates a long-term trap. As countries get richer and move up the food chain they become more and more dependent on the consumer economy and less on the "production" economy. Europeans in many cases seem to want to think this is fallacy, but there is no way around it.
 

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The logic depends on how you identify services in the context of production. Flipping burgers, selling real estate, tax preperation etc. are clearly not production jobs in the sense of being part of the manufacturing or capital sector. However, when I say that it makes more sense to tax consumption than production, I am using the term production in a more broad sense that all work is, to a certain extent, a form of production -- a sort of extra-broad interpretation of Say's Law on my part.


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