US Government Public Schools Raising a Bunch of Fucking Idiots

[festeringZit]

http://www.news9.com/global/story.asp?s=11141949
75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the U.S.

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Gilbert Stuart's 1796 oil on canvas portrait of George Washington on display at Washington's National Portrait Gallery. A majority of Oklahoma high school students could not name Washington as the nation's first president in a recent survey. (AP Photo)

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OKLAHOMA CITY -- Only one in four Oklahoma public high school students can name the first President of the United States, according to a survey released today.
The survey was commissioned by the Oklahoma Council of Public Affairs in observance of Constitution Day on Thursday.
Brandon Dutcher is with the conservative think tank and said the group wanted to find out how much civic knowledge Oklahoma high school students know.
The Oklahoma City-based think tank enlisted national research firm, Strategic Vision, to access students' basic civic knowledge.
"They're questions taken from the actual exam that you have to take to become a U.S. citizen," Dutcher said.
A thousand students were given 10 questions drawn from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services item bank. Candidates for U.S. citizenship must answer six questions correctly in order to become citizens.
About 92 percent of the people who take the citizenship test pass on their first try, according to immigration service data. However, Oklahoma students did not fare as well. Only about 3 percent of the students surveyed would have passed the citizenship test.
Dutcher said this is not just a problem in Oklahoma. He said Arizona had similar results, which left him concerned for the entire country.
"Jefferson later said that a nation can't expect to be ignorant and free," Dutcher said. "It points to a real serious problem. We're not going to remain ignorant and free."

 

[barman]

We should obviously shut down all the government run schools in Oklahoma and replace them with privately owned schools that can only be attended by those kids whose parents can pay tuition

That will make the next generation much smarter.

 

[nimue77]

How about just making the public schools compete with private schools for your tax dollars?

We should obviously shut down all the government run schools in Oklahoma and replace them with privately owned schools that can only be attended by those kids whose parents can pay tuition

That will make the next generation much smarter.

 

[barman]

It's not legal, if I understand recent court rulings correctly.

The primary obstacle is that private schools can't be funded with public tax dollars unless they adhere to curriculum mandates - notably, excluding any classes promoting one or more specific religion beliefs.

 

[festeringZit]

It's not legal, if I understand recent court rulings correctly

Neither is your suggestion.

 

[barman]

And my first Reply was tongue in cheek.

I know that the public school systems in the USA annually produce literally hundreds of thousands of graduates who are not only aware of who George Washington is, but who are very literate and ready for either college or the workplace (or both).

 

[Willie99]

We should obviously shut down all the government run schools in Oklahoma and replace them with privately owned schools that can only be attended by those kids whose parents can pay tuition

That will make the next generation much smarter.

kinda weird, but it's the Democrats that want to limit choices for the poor.

Obama, the liberals and the unions want to protect teachers and eliminate school choice, which means only rich people like Obama can afford private school.

Illegal? seems like it was amazingly successful in DC, but the "protectors of the poor" can't have that. Of course, parents are upset that Obama abolished a Bush program that actually helped their kids, but they'll still line up to vote for the party that keeps them down. (can't let them become educated and self reliant, they might start voting differently)

 

[barman]

Obama, the liberals and the unions want to protect teachers and eliminate school choice, which means only rich people like Obama can afford private school.

Illegal? seems like it was amazingly successful in DC, but the "protectors of the poor" can't have that. Of course, parents are upset that Obama abolished a Bush program that actually helped their kids, but they'll still line up to vote for the party that keeps them down. (can't let them become educated and self reliant, they might start voting differently)

The program in DC was very limited. I confess I don't understand all the reasoning for shutting it down.

As far as the objections to "school choice", I can only comment on how it's been here in Florida during the past 12 years. And that is - the main reason why proposed legislation for school choice has not been legally permitted is because the proposals do not insist that the private schools respect curriculum mandates and/or eliminate classes which teach specific religious doctrines.

 

[barman]

A bit weary for sincere political chat...been up for past three hours watching first a medium range movie which my wife abandoned 20 minutes in - District 9

...and then the tedious and pretty unfunny "Hangover"

 

[festeringZit]

A bit weary for sincere political chat...been up for past three hours watching first a medium range movie which my wife abandoned 20 minutes in - District 9

...and then the tedious and pretty unfunny "Hangover"

Oh man, I thought "The Hangover" was one of the funniest movies
I've seen in a long time.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1119646/

 

[barman]

Would simply add here what I've believed for many years now. That is, the US public school systems in nearly all cases work great provided

a) The student is desirous to learn
b) The parent(s) of that student are actively involved in the process for at least the first ten years.

 

[FadeMeToWin]

Would simply add here what I've believed for many years now. That is, the US public school systems in nearly all cases work great provided

a) The student is desirous to learn
b) The parent(s) of that student are actively involved in the process for at least the first ten years.

Most poor do not fit into A or B in this country.

 

[barman]

Most poor do not fit into A or B in this country.

Neither of those claims can be quantified.

But even if we accept them anecdotally, it's irrelevant to the lead Topic claim of "US Government Schools Raising a Bunch of Idiots".

 

[barman]

Far too many kids being created by parents with no interest in properly supporting either their education or their general upbringing.

We benefit as a society if we increase the intensity of educating our teenagers and young adults on the importance of not having kids unless you're willing to commit to both their education and their general upbringing.

 

[barman]

We should offer two and four year college tuition grants to women in exchange for their voluntarily having tubal ligations.

And same should be offered to men for voluntarily having vasectomies.

 

[guitarjosh]

We should obviously shut down all the government run schools in Oklahoma and replace them with privately owned schools that can only be attended by those kids whose parents can pay tuition

That will make the next generation much smarter.

Nah, they just need to get the school districts to focus more money on academics and less on high school football.

 

[roadreeler57]

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[mplastered]

Would simply add here what I've believed for many years now. That is, the US public school systems in nearly all cases work great provided

a) The student is desirous to learn
b) The parent(s) of that student are actively involved in the process for at least the first ten years.

c ) The teachers aren't lowlife peices of shit protected by the union.

 

[FadeMeToWin]

c ) The teachers aren't lowlife peices of shit protected by the union.

nice addition to the list. they work 9 months a year, bitch when we expect them to do the job with vigor and many in my area can't speak proper english much less teach it. As a country we have become so complacent and lazy. Political correctness, ACLU, Unions, Race Baters, etc. do not allow us to make people accountable. Crack babies, teen mothers, absent dads, are reaking havoc on us. Never thought i would say this but i would rather spend money on birth control than new textbooks in my area. It would be the best money ever spent in our school district.

 

[kingbill]

c ) The teachers aren't lowlife peices of shit protected by the union.

We agree on something else. Teachers get into the business to educate children. It's obviously not for the money.

I know growing up I didn't have a good homelife and if it wasn't for a few teachers that cared more than they were required to things may not have turned out so well for me.

3 Cheers for Teachers <><>